Hahaha! A friend of mine mentioned the concept of Laughter Yoga to me recently and this week I was able to try it out for the first (and second) time. I couldn't help but think that laughter yoga would be a useful "Day 2"/date or even a great place to meet HB (granted the group has to have HBs already enrolled for this to be beneficial).
I haven't actually tested this in the field but these are my thoughts regarding laughter yoga and seduction.
DHV:
It demonstrates that you have a fun-active lifestyle.
Identity:
If your identity involved healthy, active, social, fun, etc aspects, laughter yoga may just help with congruency.
Social Proof:
You may be one of the only young, available men in the group and girls will respond to you being surrounded by other women.
Peacocking:
Some men wouldn't be caught dead doing anything yoga related. At least that's the attitude my friend Action Adam feels. He says "I only do manly things and yoga isn't manly enough". My friend Action Adam is not a PUA and it shows. Chicks dig this shit. So laughter yoga isn't a flashy top hat or navigation goggles but I think it's much more powerful than any outfit you could wear.
Kino:
There is ample opportunity for light-social kino. Some activities involved clapping hands or comforting touching with other laughter yoga participants.
Comfort:
Endorphins are released during sex and laughter. Allow a HB to tag along while you attend your laughter yoga class will allow here to feel comfortable with you and will also leave her feeling similar sensations to post-coital bliss (which she will associate to you)
InnerGame:
You'll feel better which will have an effect on all aspects of your life, including seduction.
Brief Description of Laughter Yoga:
This revolutionary form of body-mind exercise combines yoga breathing and laughter exercises to improve health & vitality, lessen pain & everyday stress and promote a more positive mental attitude.
You do not need to have a sense of humor, be in a good mood or even have a reason to laugh to do Laughter Yoga. It's easy and it's fun!
Recent News:
Laughter Yoga on You Tube...Check it out!
http://www.youtube.com/laughteryoga
Check out these babies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ayHcA_n7VY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vfSk-6tIvo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFHcFGKPMQ4
Benefits:
Most people believe that the statement " Laughter is the best medicine" is a stupid cliche that our parents tell us, much like "An apple a day keeps the doctor away." But recent scientific research proves otherwise. Mentally and physically laughter is extremely beneficial.
People are beginning to realize that laughter can even increase the survival rate of cancer patients. Laughter is a reaction the body has to stimulus. That stimulus does not necessarily have to be humor.
According to Dr. Paul Mcghee (of www.laughterremedy.com) Laughter can do all of the following:
- reduce pain
- strengthen the immune system stimulating the production of T-cells and NK cells which help to fight cancerous cells and tumors
- Improves circulation and strengthens the heart
- Reduces anger and anxiety
- reduces stress
- Burns calories and keeps you looking young
- improves stamina
- alleviates respiratory problems
and - improves self confidence and social skills
With the world on our shoulders, we are faced with global warming, war, climate changes,terrorism and political unrest, laughter is so important to our mental health as well.
SO, LAUGH A LITTLE MORE EACH DAY. SPREAD THE WORD AND THE LAUGHTER, SPREAD GOOD HEALTH AND CHANGE THE WORLD.
** note if you suffer from severe respiratory or heart conditions laughter could be damaging.
** also as with anything else, too much laughter isn't a good thing.
{I will finish this post shortly...enjoy what is here until I can edit this post further}
Showing posts with label Seduction Community. Show all posts
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Sunday, July 22, 2007
Tuesday, July 17, 2007
Omigawd! My Little Bro F closed....hahaha!
I'll write more later.
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Wednesday, June 20, 2007
Seduction and Social Proof
In the last 12 weeks, I have had very little time to do anything other than school related things which basically means I've had little-to-no time for seduction-community related things, except for the occasional updating from my little brother or school friends regarding their sarging.
My Little Brother; Glassjaw
he's one of styles 505.
from what I can tell from my little brother, He's doing fairly well. He's making up his own routines, meeting several girls a week, going on interesting dates, and overall catching on well. His routines are unique and fit him well and he's proud of making them up and using a lot of his own material. I told him he should create a blog or post some of his routines on line, but he had a typical male response;he's afraid exposure would limit his results. I tried to explain to them by the time anybody in this town that he currently lives in learns how to do His routines, he'd be doing new routines. I don't think he bought it.
His biggest sticking point now is kissing, which I find incredibly adorable. My brother is fairly young, and, I think, inexperienced. He's afraid that his nervousness will transfer to the girl while he's kissing her and she'll get too nervous to kiss back (or something like that). I really enjoy the naïve of what he told me. I tried to give them some advice. Not sure if he took any of it. He asked me how "He Who is Him" (H. W. H.), first kissed me. I told them the best I could recall. And I told him after he does it couple times, it won't be a big deal. He is trying come up with his own routine on how to kiss close but he is stuck. I told him to check out some seduction community techniques. He says this is his hardest sticking point, and he's been working on it the longest.
He really likes everything is learning and he really wants to become a pickup artists instructor. I guess I should not be surprised. my brother and I have always shared common interests; I like the suggestion community, he likes his seduction community. I want to teach men how to pick up women, so does he. maybe he'll change his mind after a while.
Dr. Yes, my school friends.
at one point I was calling him my writing partner, but is now my writing partner because he doesn't help me write anything he just listens to me talk about what I wonder. In a previous blog I named him Dr. Yes because I thought it was a cool name, and figured he could use the boost in ego. He's been quoted as saying he "gets yeses with surgical precision." But I don't think he's been doing too much or in regards to the seduction community or sarging. However, when I left him last night, he was getting very comfortable with a very attractive young lady. we're going out tonight, so we'll see what kind of trouble we can create.
I don't know the status of Dr. yeses love-life but I do know he's helped my love life in more ways than one; social proof is powerful.
I'm actually getting ready to go, so I'll write more about this later.
My Little Brother; Glassjaw
he's one of styles 505.
from what I can tell from my little brother, He's doing fairly well. He's making up his own routines, meeting several girls a week, going on interesting dates, and overall catching on well. His routines are unique and fit him well and he's proud of making them up and using a lot of his own material. I told him he should create a blog or post some of his routines on line, but he had a typical male response;he's afraid exposure would limit his results. I tried to explain to them by the time anybody in this town that he currently lives in learns how to do His routines, he'd be doing new routines. I don't think he bought it.
His biggest sticking point now is kissing, which I find incredibly adorable. My brother is fairly young, and, I think, inexperienced. He's afraid that his nervousness will transfer to the girl while he's kissing her and she'll get too nervous to kiss back (or something like that). I really enjoy the naïve of what he told me. I tried to give them some advice. Not sure if he took any of it. He asked me how "He Who is Him" (H. W. H.), first kissed me. I told them the best I could recall. And I told him after he does it couple times, it won't be a big deal. He is trying come up with his own routine on how to kiss close but he is stuck. I told him to check out some seduction community techniques. He says this is his hardest sticking point, and he's been working on it the longest.
He really likes everything is learning and he really wants to become a pickup artists instructor. I guess I should not be surprised. my brother and I have always shared common interests; I like the suggestion community, he likes his seduction community. I want to teach men how to pick up women, so does he. maybe he'll change his mind after a while.
Dr. Yes, my school friends.
at one point I was calling him my writing partner, but is now my writing partner because he doesn't help me write anything he just listens to me talk about what I wonder. In a previous blog I named him Dr. Yes because I thought it was a cool name, and figured he could use the boost in ego. He's been quoted as saying he "gets yeses with surgical precision." But I don't think he's been doing too much or in regards to the seduction community or sarging. However, when I left him last night, he was getting very comfortable with a very attractive young lady. we're going out tonight, so we'll see what kind of trouble we can create.
I don't know the status of Dr. yeses love-life but I do know he's helped my love life in more ways than one; social proof is powerful.
I'm actually getting ready to go, so I'll write more about this later.
Wednesday, April 4, 2007
tears are like throw-up
What I learned in class today and how it applies to the seduction community:
"Tears are like throw-up. When you see someone doing it [crying or throwing up or any number of emotions], you want to do it yourself."
Women are socially empathetic and emotive (side note: the word emo comes from the word emotive or the ability to express emotions).
If a pick-up artist can empathetically make a girl feel strong (hopefully positive) emotions by being emotive he can build comfort with that girl.
I think this is sorta what break-through comfort is based largely off of but I'm not that familiar with break-through comfort (yet), so I could be wrong.
I'll have to write more when I have more time. And I'll have to finish reading Magic Bullets to understand break-through comfort more.
"Tears are like throw-up. When you see someone doing it [crying or throwing up or any number of emotions], you want to do it yourself."
Women are socially empathetic and emotive (side note: the word emo comes from the word emotive or the ability to express emotions).
If a pick-up artist can empathetically make a girl feel strong (hopefully positive) emotions by being emotive he can build comfort with that girl.
I think this is sorta what break-through comfort is based largely off of but I'm not that familiar with break-through comfort (yet), so I could be wrong.
I'll have to write more when I have more time. And I'll have to finish reading Magic Bullets to understand break-through comfort more.
Sunday, March 18, 2007
Customized t-shirt sayings I want made
~ Don't neg me.
~Unplowable
~Dude, go reframe.
~ You can peacock better than that.
~ Social Proof
~ Pivots have more fun.
~ Wing Woman (on the front). [with little angel wings on the back] (on the back)
~ That was not cocky or funny.
~ Considered this a take-away (on the back).
~ My brother has more game than you.
~ Have you seen Michelle?
~ Comfort comes after attraction.
~ I just saw your twin. (written in text message font)
~ I don't thumb wrestle.
~ Is this thread ever going to end?
~ Next stack please.
~ You can't control my frame.
~ You and I would never get a long.
~ There's a 3 second rule for a reason.
~ That's not a DHV.
~ Find. Meet. Attraction. Make him commit.
~ This is not a shit test.
~ No AFCs allowed, please.
~ Don't make me use my bitch shield on you.
~ This is not LMR.
~ You rock because you like Cold Case. You suck because you don't smoke joints.
Or
~ You rock because you ___________. You suck because you _____________.
~ I am a radio.
P.S.
I almost forgot:
~ Go kino yourself.
~Unplowable
~Dude, go reframe.
~ You can peacock better than that.
~ Social Proof
~ Pivots have more fun.
~ Wing Woman (on the front). [with little angel wings on the back] (on the back)
~ That was not cocky or funny.
~ Considered this a take-away (on the back).
~ My brother has more game than you.
~ Have you seen Michelle?
~ Comfort comes after attraction.
~ I just saw your twin. (written in text message font)
~ I don't thumb wrestle.
~ Is this thread ever going to end?
~ Next stack please.
~ You can't control my frame.
~ You and I would never get a long.
~ There's a 3 second rule for a reason.
~ That's not a DHV.
~ Find. Meet. Attraction. Make him commit.
~ This is not a shit test.
~ No AFCs allowed, please.
~ Don't make me use my bitch shield on you.
~ This is not LMR.
~ You rock because you like Cold Case. You suck because you don't smoke joints.
Or
~ You rock because you ___________. You suck because you _____________.
~ I am a radio.
P.S.
I almost forgot:
~ Go kino yourself.
5 things I like that PUAs do
I don't know how to introduce this piece. I've got so many thoughts buzzing around my head, it's hard to see the metaphorical tree through the satirical forest. Except for the trees are thought whizzing by as if I was a symbolic skier racing down a tree covered mountain. I am continuously getting smacked in the face with the branches from said trees.
Or another allegory, a wise man once say; I am a radio. The thoughts streaming through my head are the radio wave, my mind is the transceiver, and my mouth is the obnoxiously loud speaking blasting the ever changing station in my head, maryjane is the electricity that fuels this chaos. It's even harder to express this in written form. See verbally it's different, the audio that comes out of my mouth is so natural. The wise man, that was mentioned before (we'll call him: "He who is him" or "Him who is he": HWH for short)* So, anyhoo, HWH used to say he could practically see my train of thought. That's when HWH came up with "You're a radio". So now it's an inside joke. You-had-to-be-there sort of thing, ya know?
Oh well, so if this doesn't make sense to you; don't worry. It's not supposed to. You should only worry if this is crystal clear to you.
This is my defense of the seduction community (and this should help people understand my reasoning or support of this group of guys).
* This is the best way I can describe him who is he. Trust me if I had a better why I'd use it but It's hard to name all that he embodies.
1. inner game
"Learning's golden gifts" ~ "Dr. Faustus" by Christopher Marlowe
I have yet to find a definition for inner game. It's basically an multi-variant and interdisciplinary set of self-awareness knowledge structure or latter or what I like to call rhizome. "Rhizomatic" isn't a real word (yet) but it's a philosophy or theory. You'll have to look it up to figure out what i it really means. I'm going to use the concept as best I understand it to explain some thing, the way I see them.
Rhizome means that there is no one true base or root; it's not like a tree. A tree grows from one set of roots, if you damage those roots enough the whole tree will be damage and all parts of the tree come from that single root system. Rhizomes roots are complex system; it's more like grass. This probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense so I'll move on. No need to further complicate an already complicated concept by butchering it.
If inner game takes on rhizomatic features. It basically means there are many different roots (subficial...is this even a word? I'm using words that don't exist in the dictionary)** Inter game isn't just one thing or it doesn't just root from one base or one source. It's multi variant and multi equative (shit another word that doesn't exist in the dictionary...it's hard to write what I mean when words fail to express what my thoughts truly represent...I don't know what the point of mastering language is if it can express what's really going on in my mind?).
I believe everything is rhizomatic; love, life, sex, thoughts, memories, relationships, ideas, behaviors, actions, language, art, etc. Not to mention, inner game.
I believe to some degree all human beings are striving to effect some aspect of inner game in their life, regardless of they are pick-up artists, or everyone else. The pick-up artists are just more systematic and thorough about it (or at least they strive to be). And this is one thing I like about them. They are pushing themselves and ultimately the evolution envelope further and they brings the rest of us along with them, even if we are kicking and screaming the whole way there.
When one person focusing on making themselves better it has a profound effect not only in the life of the one doing it but in the lives of those surrounding that person striving to be a better person. You get enough people doing this and suddenly there's a shift towards improvement in so many different areas. I wish I could be more specific or give more examples but I'm having a hard time.
It's a complicated concepts and it's not easy to explain without simplifying it to the point of altering it. I believe this is how many of the PUA concepts are though. That's why it's so difficult to understand, master, and teach. That's why I admire those that can do anyone of those; not to mention, someone who can do all three of those. It amazes me. If I really think about it, my thoughts and emotions get overwhelming. It scares me how intense this stuff can be.
I'd love to learn what the PUAs know about inner game and be able to apply it to my life and see what if any effect it has on me, my life, and those around me. And then I wonder if it can be taught to or beneficial to other women.
I've notice I'm fascinated with parallels and I'm dying to discover, theorize, or connect the parallels between what the PUAs have already learned and it's female equivalent.
So inner game is something I like about the PUAs. I am not going to keep going, I think it's pretty clear what I mean. Plus I am getting tired and have 4 more sections to write. This may have to be segmented blog post. I'm not sure how much more I can write.
**roots and underground grass grows and trunks of trees grow above ground. Roots represent the inner part, the grass represents the surface level manifestation of what's happening below the surface (subficial)
2. calibrations/microcalibration
Calibrations is another amazing concept that blows my mind. It reminds me of what good actors do or it reminds me of one of Sinn's recent blog posts (I can't believe how insanely knowledgeable that guy is).
I studied theatre for three years and 2 of those years was spent learning under one of the best teachers I've ever had, and probably one of the better acting teachers. That latter part probably can't be proven. He rigorously taught countless students at junior college the method acting style.
Much of it was lost on me. I wish I could have had 3 more years studying with him but I was clueless at the time and didn't make the most out of it and now he's retired.
Anyhoo, the concept of calibration remind me of the work we were doing in intermediate and advanced acting. It's call being in the "moment" or "checking in". And it relied heavily on responding to what is happening at any given moment on stage. It's not about pretending. It's not about acting or displaying or faking. It's about relating to the other person on stage and reacting to what they are giving to you. It's actually very difficult to do this but when done well it's amazing to watch and be a part of.
This is what PUAs do with women (if they are good). They take when she says, an expression on her face, a change in body language, a tonality alteration, an eye shift, of glance or any subtle reaction and they use that knowledge to proceed.
The most basic part to this would be IOIs or IODs and the PUAs response to them.
You can't calibrate if you're not paying attention, if you're not focused. You can make you're next move if you can't see what move she just made. It's like playing chess blind. Only I've never played chess, so maybe that's not the best example. But I am blind; literally I am legally blind in my right eye; but figuratively I am pretty blind in other ways too. So, I am fairly confident in my the blind metaphor of the example....moving on:
So, I basically like calibration.
3. Disqualifiers
This is gold to me. If you don't get or understand this concept, your game may be less than what it can be. PERIOD. I can't explain why it's so powerful but I know it works. and I know it works and many different levels. It's an art within itself to master.
4. understanding the opposite sex
"Sporting in the dalliance of love." Dr. Faustus by Christopher Marlowe
My biggest sticking point is understanding men. PERIOD.
[I'm tired...I'm going to leave this blog unedited and incomplete. I know I'm leaving social capital unwritten about again, but it's such a huge concept to tackle and I'm exhausted, I can't really function beyond this point. And no one really reads my blog, so I think it can wait until I am more coherent. and when my eyes don't hurt from being so emotional. and when it's not nearly 2 am...I know that the time stamped on this blog is going to be the time I started writing this but that was a long time ago...it's 1:42am now...)
5. Social capital
Or another allegory, a wise man once say; I am a radio. The thoughts streaming through my head are the radio wave, my mind is the transceiver, and my mouth is the obnoxiously loud speaking blasting the ever changing station in my head, maryjane is the electricity that fuels this chaos. It's even harder to express this in written form. See verbally it's different, the audio that comes out of my mouth is so natural. The wise man, that was mentioned before (we'll call him: "He who is him" or "Him who is he": HWH for short)* So, anyhoo, HWH used to say he could practically see my train of thought. That's when HWH came up with "You're a radio". So now it's an inside joke. You-had-to-be-there sort of thing, ya know?
Oh well, so if this doesn't make sense to you; don't worry. It's not supposed to. You should only worry if this is crystal clear to you.
This is my defense of the seduction community (and this should help people understand my reasoning or support of this group of guys).
* This is the best way I can describe him who is he. Trust me if I had a better why I'd use it but It's hard to name all that he embodies.
1. inner game
"Learning's golden gifts" ~ "Dr. Faustus" by Christopher Marlowe
I have yet to find a definition for inner game. It's basically an multi-variant and interdisciplinary set of self-awareness knowledge structure or latter or what I like to call rhizome. "Rhizomatic" isn't a real word (yet) but it's a philosophy or theory. You'll have to look it up to figure out what i it really means. I'm going to use the concept as best I understand it to explain some thing, the way I see them.
Rhizome means that there is no one true base or root; it's not like a tree. A tree grows from one set of roots, if you damage those roots enough the whole tree will be damage and all parts of the tree come from that single root system. Rhizomes roots are complex system; it's more like grass. This probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense so I'll move on. No need to further complicate an already complicated concept by butchering it.
If inner game takes on rhizomatic features. It basically means there are many different roots (subficial...is this even a word? I'm using words that don't exist in the dictionary)** Inter game isn't just one thing or it doesn't just root from one base or one source. It's multi variant and multi equative (shit another word that doesn't exist in the dictionary...it's hard to write what I mean when words fail to express what my thoughts truly represent...I don't know what the point of mastering language is if it can express what's really going on in my mind?).
I believe everything is rhizomatic; love, life, sex, thoughts, memories, relationships, ideas, behaviors, actions, language, art, etc. Not to mention, inner game.
I believe to some degree all human beings are striving to effect some aspect of inner game in their life, regardless of they are pick-up artists, or everyone else. The pick-up artists are just more systematic and thorough about it (or at least they strive to be). And this is one thing I like about them. They are pushing themselves and ultimately the evolution envelope further and they brings the rest of us along with them, even if we are kicking and screaming the whole way there.
When one person focusing on making themselves better it has a profound effect not only in the life of the one doing it but in the lives of those surrounding that person striving to be a better person. You get enough people doing this and suddenly there's a shift towards improvement in so many different areas. I wish I could be more specific or give more examples but I'm having a hard time.
It's a complicated concepts and it's not easy to explain without simplifying it to the point of altering it. I believe this is how many of the PUA concepts are though. That's why it's so difficult to understand, master, and teach. That's why I admire those that can do anyone of those; not to mention, someone who can do all three of those. It amazes me. If I really think about it, my thoughts and emotions get overwhelming. It scares me how intense this stuff can be.
I'd love to learn what the PUAs know about inner game and be able to apply it to my life and see what if any effect it has on me, my life, and those around me. And then I wonder if it can be taught to or beneficial to other women.
I've notice I'm fascinated with parallels and I'm dying to discover, theorize, or connect the parallels between what the PUAs have already learned and it's female equivalent.
So inner game is something I like about the PUAs. I am not going to keep going, I think it's pretty clear what I mean. Plus I am getting tired and have 4 more sections to write. This may have to be segmented blog post. I'm not sure how much more I can write.
**roots and underground grass grows and trunks of trees grow above ground. Roots represent the inner part, the grass represents the surface level manifestation of what's happening below the surface (subficial)
2. calibrations/microcalibration
Calibrations is another amazing concept that blows my mind. It reminds me of what good actors do or it reminds me of one of Sinn's recent blog posts (I can't believe how insanely knowledgeable that guy is).
I studied theatre for three years and 2 of those years was spent learning under one of the best teachers I've ever had, and probably one of the better acting teachers. That latter part probably can't be proven. He rigorously taught countless students at junior college the method acting style.
Much of it was lost on me. I wish I could have had 3 more years studying with him but I was clueless at the time and didn't make the most out of it and now he's retired.
Anyhoo, the concept of calibration remind me of the work we were doing in intermediate and advanced acting. It's call being in the "moment" or "checking in". And it relied heavily on responding to what is happening at any given moment on stage. It's not about pretending. It's not about acting or displaying or faking. It's about relating to the other person on stage and reacting to what they are giving to you. It's actually very difficult to do this but when done well it's amazing to watch and be a part of.
This is what PUAs do with women (if they are good). They take when she says, an expression on her face, a change in body language, a tonality alteration, an eye shift, of glance or any subtle reaction and they use that knowledge to proceed.
The most basic part to this would be IOIs or IODs and the PUAs response to them.
You can't calibrate if you're not paying attention, if you're not focused. You can make you're next move if you can't see what move she just made. It's like playing chess blind. Only I've never played chess, so maybe that's not the best example. But I am blind; literally I am legally blind in my right eye; but figuratively I am pretty blind in other ways too. So, I am fairly confident in my the blind metaphor of the example....moving on:
So, I basically like calibration.
3. Disqualifiers
This is gold to me. If you don't get or understand this concept, your game may be less than what it can be. PERIOD. I can't explain why it's so powerful but I know it works. and I know it works and many different levels. It's an art within itself to master.
4. understanding the opposite sex
"Sporting in the dalliance of love." Dr. Faustus by Christopher Marlowe
My biggest sticking point is understanding men. PERIOD.
I'm starting to recognize a pattern of behavior that I display that is probably very off putting to the men I date. IIf there was an e-book on this concept I'd buy it in a heartbeat, and I'd pay what it's worth too. This is definitely an area where the PUAs have us girls out foxed. PUAs know so much about women it's almost ridiculous. I've learned more about myself from guys than I think I've learned on my own. Guys seems to see things about me that I'm figuratively blind to. And they have this great analytical way of expressing it or a whole different perspective to understanding it. I wish I understood myself completely and I wish I understood men enough to deal with them better.
"Its not until we try to understand the opposite
sex that we can start having real success with
them." Joseph Mathews.
[I'm tired...I'm going to leave this blog unedited and incomplete. I know I'm leaving social capital unwritten about again, but it's such a huge concept to tackle and I'm exhausted, I can't really function beyond this point. And no one really reads my blog, so I think it can wait until I am more coherent. and when my eyes don't hurt from being so emotional. and when it's not nearly 2 am...I know that the time stamped on this blog is going to be the time I started writing this but that was a long time ago...it's 1:42am now...)
5. Social capital
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Friday, March 16, 2007
Some comments on my Communication Studies Project
I am very proud of my project. I put a lot of work into it. I have never written a social science paper or a research paper of this kind before and I am happy with the way it turned out (for the most part). I've just turned in my project to my professor.
It may not follow scientific protocol exactly but I did my best to meet the guidelines set forth by my professor.
It's very long, fifteen pages double spaces. I don't really like the way it looks double spaced so it is single spaced on my blog.
Some of the formatting was lost in the transfer from word to this blog post. For example quotes of forty or more words should be aligned differently but the blog formatting does not allow for such accommedations.
This is not a pick-up artist guide or manual. It is a content analysis of existing sources. The concepts discussed are well known concepts in the seduction community.
The quotes are used here under fair use and academic regulations. If you were quoted in this project and feel your rights were violated, please seek legal counsel. I've been advised that the sources used are not in violation of copyright laws.
It may not follow scientific protocol exactly but I did my best to meet the guidelines set forth by my professor.
It's very long, fifteen pages double spaces. I don't really like the way it looks double spaced so it is single spaced on my blog.
Some of the formatting was lost in the transfer from word to this blog post. For example quotes of forty or more words should be aligned differently but the blog formatting does not allow for such accommedations.
This is not a pick-up artist guide or manual. It is a content analysis of existing sources. The concepts discussed are well known concepts in the seduction community.
The quotes are used here under fair use and academic regulations. If you were quoted in this project and feel your rights were violated, please seek legal counsel. I've been advised that the sources used are not in violation of copyright laws.
Parallels in Seduction and Advertising regarding Evolutionary Arms Race
I. Introduction
This project explores the parallels in the evolutionary arms races of advertising and the seduction community.
The seduction community is defined as:
A loosely connected world-wide subculture of (mostly) men who strive for consistent success with attracting and seducing women. This overriding intention is facilitated with improvements of self (inner game), skills, and lifestyle. “It's about developing your self. Your skillset. Your social intelligence. Your 'alpha qualities'. Your lifestyle. Your natural attractiveness to women.” (Roman_be, 2006). This collection of attributes and abilities is what is sometimes referred to as one’s “game”.
In addition, members of this community seek greater understanding of male, female, and social psychology and dynamics. Within this community, there are individuals, businesses, and organizations with varying fundamentals, strategies, and philosophies, that offer advice, products, and services that help assist their diverging objectives.
This community is networked “together through internet forums and groups, as well as over a hundred local clubs, called ‘lairs’” (Wikipedia, 2007) and other similar local groups and gatherings. The seduction community is often referred to by its members as “the community”.
Pseudonyms are often used in the seduction community to protect the identification of members and targets. Pseudonyms are used throughout this project for the same reasons. Except in the case of the author, Neil Strauss; he uses the pseudonym Style in the seduction community. His real name and pseudonym are well known and used in the community and mainstream media coverage. This project refers to him as Neil Strauss in all instances.
The members of this community are often referred to as pick-up artists (PUA). A pick-up artist is someone skilled in the arts and non-exact sciences of seduction. For the sake of this project, seduction will refer to the following definition:
“Seduction is the use of temptation and enticement, often sexual in nature, to attract or influence the behavior of another. Traditionally, the word implied leading someone astray, as when a man lures a woman into a sexual relationship without the need to resort to force. In contemporary usage, however, seduction is used more broadly as a synonym for the act of charming someone.” (Wikipedia, 2007)
This project aims for an objective comparison of two separate but similar groups. The project will not attempt to address the morality or integrity of advertisers or pick-up artists. I do not believe that either the advertisement industry or the seduction communities are innately corrupt or dishonest. As in most groups within given societies, there are varying degrees of ethical practices with both seducers and advertisers. It would be an injustice to label all advertisers and pick-up artists as fraudulent. “Being a PUA doesn't make one inherently manipulative or dirty.” (Illpapinyc, 2006)
In regards to whether or not this community really exists, Neil Strauss, author of The Game and renowned pick-up artist, said it this way, “It really happen[s]. Men will deny it, women will doubt it. But I present it to you here, naked, vulnerable and disturbingly real. I beg you for your forgiveness in advance.”(2005)
Theoretical Frame Work of this Project
This project appears to be the first scholarly attempt to look at the seduction community, let alone to compare the seduction community practices with procedures from the advertising industry. Other sources referencing this community comes from media reviews of individuals, products, and services from the community, or from members of the community, none of which are academic in nature. This is due, in part, to the seduction community’s attempts to remain somewhat covert from mainstream media and audiences. There is a rampant fear in the community of being exposed. The reasons for which, tie directly into the topic of this paper, evolutionary arms race. Members of the seduction community fear, probably rightfully so, that wide-spread exposure would cause insurmountable competition and resistance from targets. Their schemes would have to radically evolve to continue their current status.
Both the seduction community and advertisers rely on psychology and sociology. This project works within in these related fields as it applies to its scope.“Some of the concepts in the [Seduction] community are borrowed from other disciplines, such as the concept of social proof from the psychology of influence, and various concepts from sociobiology and evolutionary psychology (such as the term 'alpha male').” (Wikipedia, 2007)
This project explores the evolutionary arms race that takes place in the seduction community by exploring tactics utilized by pick-up artists to stay ahead of competition, strategies to minimize opposition from targets, evolutionary and biological mating research, and techniques called peacocking and social proof. In addition, this project will briefly explore one reputable company utilizing these concepts in its program, The Mystery Method.
Competition is fierce in the dating world and pick-up artists take this competition against other men to its highest level. Once opponents are disarmed, members of the seduction community focus on their targets, usually highly sought-after women, and they use their knowledge to minimize any refusal to go along with the seduction. Seduction is accomplished in various ways. Knowledge of mating research is used by seducers to create and maintain attraction with women. Social proof and peacocking are methods employed to increase the desirability of the pick-up artists in the eyes of women. The Mystery Method is a highly respected company that has created the M3 Model which incorporates the strategies outlined in this project along with other proven practices. These strategies are just a few of many ways the seduction community takes advantage of the evolutionary arms race of love (and sex).
Due to the fact that there is no academic research on the seduction community, there is vast array of possibilities for further investigation that could be done. Both the advertising industry and the seduction community could learn a great deal from each other. The seduction community already uses advertising and sales techniques to their advantage. However, it is highly unlikely that advertisers pay any attention to pick-up artists. Though, if they did, they might learn important concepts that could be utilized within the advertising field.
Correspondingly, there are some very powerful concepts within the seduction community that could ultimately be beneficial to the advertising industry. One of the most powerful of which is a seduction community concept called “framing” or “frame control”. This concept is fundamentally different than the communication theory, and sociology, process of selective control over media content. (Wikipedia, 2007) It resembles more of George Lakoff’s political framing concepts. (Lakoff, 2006) It would be interesting to see research on the parallels between both pick-up artist and political framing theories.
This project was originally going to include comparisons of parallels with Ries and Trout’s positioning concepts and the seduction community. Positioning is a key concept that would ideally fall under the evolutionary arms race topic of this paper. However, due to the limited scope of this research project and time restraints, that comparison was not included. Further investigation into these comparisons could be beneficial to both the advertising industry and pick-up artists.
In addition, this project was going to have sections on “concealing the hook” and “staged surrenders”. However, proper sources were not secured in time to appropriately detail the seduction community used of these concepts.
Abstract
When concepts in the advertising industry are compared to similar concepts in the seduction community there may be parallels. The author of this project has researched numerous publications, books, articles, message boards, blogs, and other resources to collect the data that is presented within this project. The data shows evidence that members of the seduction community are aware of biological and evolutionary theories that effect seduction. This evidence further shows how that information is put into practice by pick-up artists. This project’s focus is on the less-studied seduction community as opposed to the exceedingly investigated advertising industry. Members of the seduction community exploit concepts that are also used in advertisement, to get women into bed.
Hypothesis
The dynamics of the seduction community is that of an evolutionary arms race that shares features of advertising evolutionary arms race.
II. Methods
I have done a painstaking content analysis of various websites, blogs, articles, books, message board forums, and other relevant resources to locate the information presented. Resources were selected based on their significance to the over all topic of evolutionary arms race in the seduction community. Complications arose when the scope of the project was being considered to include positioning, concealing the hook, and staged surrenders. Although, it seems apparent that there are parallels in positioning, concealing the hook, and staged surrenders in advertising and seduction it was difficult to pin point specific data from the seduction community regarding these concepts. This difficulty is probably due in part to the deviations in terminology in both groups regarding these theories. Such comparisons could be their own research project because of the amount of data that could be presented and the time it would take to gather the data.
Additional complication occurred when attempting to find graphics to add to this project. Some of the concepts presented in this project, such as peacocking and social proof, are not easily transferable into visual representations.
III. Results and Discussion
Evolutionary Arms Race in Advertisement and Seduction
The purpose in both advertisement and the seduction community is to, “learn to adapt and evolve faster than anybody else.” (Hysteria, 2006) Hysteria’s statements get at the core of what an evolution arms race is and the open-ended goals of the advertisement industry and the seduction community. “Stay two steps ahead at all times.”(Hysteria, 2006) But what is an evolutionary arms race?
The biological definition is as follows: "An evolutionary arms race is an evolutionary struggle between to competing sets of co-evolving genes that develop adaptations and counter-adaptations against each other, resembling an arms race." (Wikipedia, 2007) Metaphorically speaking, this is what happens amongst humans in both advertising and seducing. This struggle to stay ahead of competitors’ advances and prospects’ defenses is symbolically an evolutionary arms race.
However, staying ahead has no specific end points or conclusive destinations. "Arms race is also used to describe any competition where there is no absolute goal, only relative goals of staying ahead of the other competitors [and prospects]." (Wikipedia, 2007) Advertisers and seducers have to continually evolve their strategies because the tactics that they develop quickly lose efficiency when their targets develop resistances to those strategies.
"There is an arms race between advertisers and their potential customers." (Steen, 2007) As advertisers’ prospects develop opposition to ad tactics, the advertisers upgrade and innovate strategies to counter those resistances. "In a co-evolutionary arms race, audiences gradually learn to resist advertisers' techniques." (Steen, 2007) Professor Steen is currently researching and developing further work regarding the evolutionary arms race in advertising. This project takes a focused look at the evolutionary arms race in the seduction community. "Sex is an evolutionary puzzle." (Wikipedia, 2007)
“The male’s goal is seduction: He is trying to manipulate the female into falling for his charms, to get inside her head and steer her mind his way. The evolutionary pressure is on him to perfect displays that make her well disposed toward him and sexually aroused so that he can be certain of mating.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 161)
The seduction community is aware of evolution and its effect on the seduction process. The community aims to stay ahead of competitors (other single men) and targets (desirable women). “Fact is, being successful with girls (or at least better than the average Joe) is about adapting your own [behavior],” (Borris, 2006) Pick-up artists seek out resources, such as existing research, that will aid their over-all seduction efforts. "Books such as The Red Queen by Matt Ridley, Sperm Wars by Robin Baker, and The Mating Mind by Geoffrey Miller are frequently cited in the community.” (Wikipedia, 2007) As demonstrated in the following quote:
“For the aspiring pick-up artist, The Red Queen is an invaluable text that provides useful information on how our social interaction has evolved over thousands of years. And how it continues to evolve. The Red Queen not only tells you how we got here, but provides solid scientific evidence that you need to constantly improve your game.” (Strauss, 2006, p.2)
“Game” is a term used to reference pick-up artists’ attributes and abilities. The seduction community works towards advancing its skills and strategies to stay ahead of their competition. “The struggle for seduction never gets easier. However well a pick-up artist may adapt his game, he can never relax, because the hard bodies and alpha-males [competitors] are also adapting their tactics. Seduction is a zero-sum game.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 2) The pick-up artists take into account other economically-desirable (available) males and adopt strategies to make themselves just as valuable. “The technologies of seduction have been developed to help even the playing field.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 5)
However, other men are not the solitary concern of members of the community. Pick-up artists also are anxious with the evolutionary advances of their targets, attractive ladies. As stated below:
“You must constantly refine your game. Seek to grow beyond just spitting out canned routines and pick-up techniques you’ve memorized. Always be learning, and then challenge yourself to grow beyond what you’ve learned. Become your own guru. Because you can bet that whatever technique you’re memorizing, someone else is working on the antidote.” (Strauss, 2006, p.2)
The evolutionary arms race defenses that women adapt in response to the pick-up artist‘s routines are a worry many in the seduction community are concerned with. “If women start to get bombarded with "the game" [pick-up artist’s routines] then you had better believe they will adapt defenses against it.” (Merlin, 2006) Some of these men are worried that they will not be able to develop co-adaptations to the oppositions women form. They realize the divergent goals of the genders.
Male and female aspirations in seduction are evolutionarily different. Female intuitively seek a solitary-quality mate, whereas males viscerally try to find multiple partners, as discussed in this passage:
“Ridley explains that the instinctual goal for every female animal is to find a mate with the genetic makeup necessary to be a good husband, a good father, or a good sire. Male animals, on the other hand, have a goal of locating as many wives and mothers as possible.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 3)
“While it’s easy to think every human being is idiosyncratic and unique, the book [The Red Queen] explains how our mating choices are the result of evolutionary and biological pressures over thousands of years.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 7) There are natural reasons for the discrepancies between the genders’ pairing-off preferences.
“In 1972, Robert Trivers explained why the genders have such disparate goals. The gender that invest[s] the most in children (such as the way women carry a fetus for nine months) is the one that has the least to gain from an extra mating. The gender that invest[s] the least has extra time to spend searching for other mates.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 3)
“Therefore, broadly speaking, males invest less and seek quantity of mates, while females invest more and seek quality of mates.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 133) These diverse objectives create very interesting sexual dynamics. “Because of those different goals, scientists define a reality that every man who has ever entered a singles club immediately learns.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 3) “Males compete for the attention of females.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 133) Women therefore choose and men do the best they can to be chosen. Leaving the men to figure out what choices women prefer to make. In other words, what women find attractive. The seduction community has a large arsenal of knowledge regarding attractive traits women are drawn to.
“In a monogamous society a woman often chooses a mate long before he has had a chance to become a ‘chief’, and she must look for clues to his future potential rather than rely only on past achievements. Poise, self assurance, optimism, efficiency, perseverance, courage, decisiveness, intelligence, ambition--these are the things that cause men to rise to the top of their professions. And not coincidentally, these are the things women find attractive.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 298)
Women have to be perceptive when evaluating the possible successes of would-be suitors. A man’s previous triumphs (or lack of) are not always a clear indication of imminent value. So women often look for characteristics within budding beaus.
“If you [the pick-up artist] exhibit the right traits, then women will take a bet on you. They’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, even though you may not have the corner office just yet. They’re guessing that, based on your personality, you will some day.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 6)
This evolutionary knowledge is used by men in the seduction community to their advantage in various ways. Two such ways are strategies called peacocking and social proof.
"In addition, males and females must spend resources to attract and compete for mates." (Wikipedia, 2007) The usage of these assets is onerous to both the sexes. “Females choose; their choosiness is inherited; they prefer exaggerated ornaments; exaggerated ornaments are a burden to males. That much is now uncontroversial.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 138) The pick-up artists have a term and technique for using “exaggerated ornaments” and the intrinsic burden of these ornaments. The strategy is called peacocking. “Peacocking means dressing for attention” (Urban Dictionary, 2007)
“The term is derived from the courting rituals of the peacock. The male peacock grows an exceptionally long and colorful tail to attract a mate. The long and colorful tail is at best useless and at worst a hindrance (it gets in the way and attracts predators). What a male peacock with a great tail is communicating is ‘I am so good at surviving and protecting myself that I can afford the disadvantage of this tail‘. Female peacocks are attracted to the underlying strength of this kind of male peacock.” (Savoy, 2005)
The seduction community uses “peacocking” as one of many weapons in its armoires to stay ahead of their competition and to advance in the seduction of their target. “Inherently, peacocking, like all pick-up techniques, isn’t meant to be easy.” (Strauss, 2006, p.3)
“We tend to think it’s the woman’s place to be uncomfortable. High-heels, push-up bras, tight shirts, and waxed eyebrows (and other body parts!) are just part of being a fashionable, attractive woman. But to be a successful pick-up artist, you have to be willing to carry some of that burden yourself.” (Strauss, 2006, p.3)
Pick-up artists take on these extra obligations to appeal to female evolutionary desires and to separate themselves from other men. They do this as an act of poise, control, and uniqueness.
“It may feel uncomfortable or not cool sometimes, but it conveys confidence and leadership and individuality when you’re wearing those clothes (as opposed to letting them wear you). And though we [pick-up artists] weren’t born with antlers or colorful tail feathers, fortunately we can purchase and adorn the equivalent.” (Strauss, 2006, p.3)
Peacocking is a delicate art that takes a lot of self-awareness and skill to master. And it is not the only item in the seduction community’s cannon of evolutionary-seduction knowledge. Another instrument that is influenced by evolution and used in the seduction community is “social proof”. “The concept that when you [the pick-up artists] are seen with other women your social status is raised in the eyes of Hbs [hot babes] in the near vicinity.” (Fast Seduction, 2007) This concept has been proven in guppy fish.
“In guppy fish, females that have been allowed to see two males, one of which is already courting a female, subsequently prefer that [already attached] male to the other even if the female that was being courted is longer present.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 146)
“Obviously, social proof is effective, even in the animal kingdom.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 4) “Social proof is basically a synonym for being ‘popular‘; if a lot of other people like me, you will probably like me too.” (Steve, 2006) “If you're with a good-looking and charming person, it raises your esteem in the eyes of others.” (Dolly, 2006) Social Proof can be further explained with the following quote:
“Social value of unfamiliar people is ambiguous and requires a lot of effort to assess accurately. Given limited time and motivation, other people will often evaluate others based on how surrounding people behave towards them. For example, if a man is perceived to be in a company of attractive women, or is associated with them, then his perceived social value and attractiveness will be perceived to be greater. The implied cognition in this case would be ‘All those girls seem to really like him, there must be something about him that's high value‘. If he is seen to be rejected by many women, his social value will be judged negatively. The implied cognition is then ‘I just saw him being rejected by many women, there is probably a good reason why they don't like him‘.” (Wikipedia, 2007)
In the above example, a man does not have to be rejected by “many women” to suffer the consequences of negative social proof; it only takes one female to reject a man to taint the surrounding women’s social impression of that man. A similar cognition to the latter one made in the above quote still applies.
Beautiful women are not always readily available when needed in social situations. So, “some men use photos of themselves surrounded by attractive women to enhance their perceived social value.” (Wikipedia, 2007) This social value can be aided with the help of a digital camera, which some pick-up artists carry with them to show photos to women they meet. In addition, social proof can be achieved without a camera or beautiful women on one’s arms, by using storytelling to sub-communicate that desirable women are already apart of the storytellers life. “Storytelling is a crucial tool in your [pick-up artist] arsenal.” (Savoy, 2005)
“Seduction techniques such as peacocking, social proof, and projecting confidence work in the animal kingdom as well as among humans.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 7) In addition, members of the seduction community use the evolutionary methods to stand out from the competition and seduce the target.
The Mystery Method Corporation is a well thought-of company in the seduction community that offers products and services that make the most of the evolutionary arms race concepts discussed in the project, as well as many other field proven fundamentals and strategies. The M3 model takes trends normally found in sexual relationships and creates an easy to follow method for successfully achieving seduction consistently. “It normally takes 4 to 10 hours of time with her to build enough comfort, connection, and trust in order to have sex.” (The Mystery Method, 2005) This model suggests superior ways to progress through to the final stages of seduction and outlines important concepts for over coming resistance. There is even a stage within the model that addresses the targets’ refusal to go along the seduction, called last minute resistance. The Mystery Method has evolved their M3 model to stay ahead of competition’s developments and targets’ opposition. Unfortunately, the new model’s release corresponds closely to the completion of this project and was not made available to be added in time. Nonetheless, it includes important advances in transitions, relationship management, and other conceptual areas.
Finally the hypothesis of this project is proven with the data presented above. More reliable resources would have been helpful to explain further the concept of social proof. However, the information detailed in the project is significant for the purposes of this research paper. The implication of these parallels could be exploited by both the advertising industry and the seduction community to further progress their strategies. Further parallels between the two groups could prove even more beneficial.
IV. Conclusion
Both the advertising industry and the seduction community participate in evolutionary arms races. Pick-up artists bring into play evolutionary arms race strategies to seduce women and out perform competitors. These men make themselves more sought-after with techniques such as peacocking and social proof which have basis in evolutionary research. They also display confidence. “Body language matters for male sexiness.” (Ridley, 2003) To generate and sustain desirability in women, members of the seduction community use research on mating information to their benefit. The main defined goals of the seduction community are to stay ahead of competitors’ progress and targets’ defiance.
The validity of these findings relies heavily on the integrity of sources. Many of the pick-up artists techniques have grounding in proven theories and all of them have been field tested and retested by hundreds (if not thousands) of pick-up artists world wide. Since there are no scientific studies being conducted on the seduction community’s techniques, proven field testing will have to suffice. If these strategies were not valid or did not work, the seduction community would find, develop, or impose strategies that did. With that stated some of the quotations within this project are purely opinion and should be regarded as such.
It should be noted that the sources obtained from wikipedia, especially regarding the seduction community, may be under dispute and their validity may be under discussion. For further details on specific disputes and discussions, www.wikipedia.com should be consulted.
There are plenty of other fundamentals from the seduction community that could be linked to the evolutionary arms race theory, however, the scope of this project has been met and it would be difficult to catalog all such strategies.
The other unanswered aspect of this project relates to the evolutionary arms race in the advertising industry. This theory is currently being handled by Professor Francis Steen.
In general, it can be said that men and women natural have an evolutionary arms race struggle against each other, however, the pick-up artist bring a wide array of categorical and effective weaponry tactics to this ageless battle.
Which leaves the question; what, if any, defenses have the modern woman develop against these seduction community techniques and strategies?
References
~Pseudonyms are used in the seduction community by pick-up artists (PUA). Pseudonyms are listed within this project and its reference list. Pseudonyms are followed by a comma and the abbreviation PUA on the list below.
* Appendix could not be made available in the format of this blog. Appendix sources are only available in their original format and locations.
Merlin, PUA (2006, January 27) The Game: the movie thread. Retrieved March 1, 2007.
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4691&page=3&highlight=attraction+switches
Borris, PUA (2006, February 24) The Game: the movie thread Retrieved March 1, 2007
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4691&page=5&highlight=attraction+switches
Hysteria, PUA (2006, February 24) The Game: the movie thread Retrieved March 1, 2007
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4691&page=7&highlight=attraction+switches
Illpapinyc, PUA (2006, February 27) The Game: the movie thread Retrieved March 1, 2007
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4691&page=12&highlight=attraction+switches
Hysteria, PUA (2006, July 17) The Game is up (the sky is falling chicken little) Retrieved March 1, 2006
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7983&page=4&highlight=evolve
Roman_be, PUA (2007, January 27) The Game is up (the sky is falling chicken little)
Retrieved March 1, 2006
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7983&page=5&highlight=evolve
Strauss, N. (2006, July) The red queen: study guide Stylelife. Retrieved February 27, 2007
(see appendix)* Exact of location of this source is not public.
Strauss, N. (2005) The game New York, ReganBooks.
Ridley, M (2003) The red queen New York, Harper Perennial.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_arms_race
Wikipedia, “Arms race” Retrieved March 3, 2007 from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_race
Wikipedia, “Red queen” Retrieved March 3, 2007 from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen
Wikpedia, “Seduction Community” Retrieved March 7, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_community
Wikipedia, “Seduction” Retrieved March 8, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction
Wikipedia, “Social proof” Retrieved March 10, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_proof
Wikipedia, “Framing” Retrieved March 10, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_(telecommunication)
Steen, F. “Class Lecture Notes” (2007)
(see appendix) * Exact location of this source is not public
Urban Dictionary “Peacocking” Retrieved March 8, 2007
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peacocking
Savoy, PUA; (2005)“Fashion & lifestyle -- OAP issue 7”
(see appendix)* Enrollment in OAP is require. Enrollment can be done through this blog or on www.themysterymethod.com
Savoy, PUA; (2005) “Attraction OAP issue 3”
(see appendix) * Enrollment in OAP is require. Enrollment can be done through this blog or on http://www.themysterymethod.com/
Steve, PUA (2006) “Games are for children: be happy, be yourself” Retrieved March 10, 2007
http://www.gamesareforchildren.com/archives/396-Social-Proof.html
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http://cocksanddolls.blogspot.com/2006/06/bf-social-proof-david.html
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http://www.fastseduction.com/acronyms.shtml
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http://www.themysterymethod.com/downloads/M3Model.ppt
Schizo, PUA "Blog Post Comment" (March 9, 2007)
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4965447022861164429&postID=8900391898894468701
This project explores the parallels in the evolutionary arms races of advertising and the seduction community.
The seduction community is defined as:
A loosely connected world-wide subculture of (mostly) men who strive for consistent success with attracting and seducing women. This overriding intention is facilitated with improvements of self (inner game), skills, and lifestyle. “It's about developing your self. Your skillset. Your social intelligence. Your 'alpha qualities'. Your lifestyle. Your natural attractiveness to women.” (Roman_be, 2006). This collection of attributes and abilities is what is sometimes referred to as one’s “game”.
In addition, members of this community seek greater understanding of male, female, and social psychology and dynamics. Within this community, there are individuals, businesses, and organizations with varying fundamentals, strategies, and philosophies, that offer advice, products, and services that help assist their diverging objectives.
This community is networked “together through internet forums and groups, as well as over a hundred local clubs, called ‘lairs’” (Wikipedia, 2007) and other similar local groups and gatherings. The seduction community is often referred to by its members as “the community”.
Pseudonyms are often used in the seduction community to protect the identification of members and targets. Pseudonyms are used throughout this project for the same reasons. Except in the case of the author, Neil Strauss; he uses the pseudonym Style in the seduction community. His real name and pseudonym are well known and used in the community and mainstream media coverage. This project refers to him as Neil Strauss in all instances.
The members of this community are often referred to as pick-up artists (PUA). A pick-up artist is someone skilled in the arts and non-exact sciences of seduction. For the sake of this project, seduction will refer to the following definition:
“Seduction is the use of temptation and enticement, often sexual in nature, to attract or influence the behavior of another. Traditionally, the word implied leading someone astray, as when a man lures a woman into a sexual relationship without the need to resort to force. In contemporary usage, however, seduction is used more broadly as a synonym for the act of charming someone.” (Wikipedia, 2007)
This project aims for an objective comparison of two separate but similar groups. The project will not attempt to address the morality or integrity of advertisers or pick-up artists. I do not believe that either the advertisement industry or the seduction communities are innately corrupt or dishonest. As in most groups within given societies, there are varying degrees of ethical practices with both seducers and advertisers. It would be an injustice to label all advertisers and pick-up artists as fraudulent. “Being a PUA doesn't make one inherently manipulative or dirty.” (Illpapinyc, 2006)
In regards to whether or not this community really exists, Neil Strauss, author of The Game and renowned pick-up artist, said it this way, “It really happen[s]. Men will deny it, women will doubt it. But I present it to you here, naked, vulnerable and disturbingly real. I beg you for your forgiveness in advance.”(2005)
Theoretical Frame Work of this Project
This project appears to be the first scholarly attempt to look at the seduction community, let alone to compare the seduction community practices with procedures from the advertising industry. Other sources referencing this community comes from media reviews of individuals, products, and services from the community, or from members of the community, none of which are academic in nature. This is due, in part, to the seduction community’s attempts to remain somewhat covert from mainstream media and audiences. There is a rampant fear in the community of being exposed. The reasons for which, tie directly into the topic of this paper, evolutionary arms race. Members of the seduction community fear, probably rightfully so, that wide-spread exposure would cause insurmountable competition and resistance from targets. Their schemes would have to radically evolve to continue their current status.
Both the seduction community and advertisers rely on psychology and sociology. This project works within in these related fields as it applies to its scope.“Some of the concepts in the [Seduction] community are borrowed from other disciplines, such as the concept of social proof from the psychology of influence, and various concepts from sociobiology and evolutionary psychology (such as the term 'alpha male').” (Wikipedia, 2007)
This project explores the evolutionary arms race that takes place in the seduction community by exploring tactics utilized by pick-up artists to stay ahead of competition, strategies to minimize opposition from targets, evolutionary and biological mating research, and techniques called peacocking and social proof. In addition, this project will briefly explore one reputable company utilizing these concepts in its program, The Mystery Method.
Competition is fierce in the dating world and pick-up artists take this competition against other men to its highest level. Once opponents are disarmed, members of the seduction community focus on their targets, usually highly sought-after women, and they use their knowledge to minimize any refusal to go along with the seduction. Seduction is accomplished in various ways. Knowledge of mating research is used by seducers to create and maintain attraction with women. Social proof and peacocking are methods employed to increase the desirability of the pick-up artists in the eyes of women. The Mystery Method is a highly respected company that has created the M3 Model which incorporates the strategies outlined in this project along with other proven practices. These strategies are just a few of many ways the seduction community takes advantage of the evolutionary arms race of love (and sex).
Due to the fact that there is no academic research on the seduction community, there is vast array of possibilities for further investigation that could be done. Both the advertising industry and the seduction community could learn a great deal from each other. The seduction community already uses advertising and sales techniques to their advantage. However, it is highly unlikely that advertisers pay any attention to pick-up artists. Though, if they did, they might learn important concepts that could be utilized within the advertising field.
Correspondingly, there are some very powerful concepts within the seduction community that could ultimately be beneficial to the advertising industry. One of the most powerful of which is a seduction community concept called “framing” or “frame control”. This concept is fundamentally different than the communication theory, and sociology, process of selective control over media content. (Wikipedia, 2007) It resembles more of George Lakoff’s political framing concepts. (Lakoff, 2006) It would be interesting to see research on the parallels between both pick-up artist and political framing theories.
This project was originally going to include comparisons of parallels with Ries and Trout’s positioning concepts and the seduction community. Positioning is a key concept that would ideally fall under the evolutionary arms race topic of this paper. However, due to the limited scope of this research project and time restraints, that comparison was not included. Further investigation into these comparisons could be beneficial to both the advertising industry and pick-up artists.
In addition, this project was going to have sections on “concealing the hook” and “staged surrenders”. However, proper sources were not secured in time to appropriately detail the seduction community used of these concepts.
Abstract
When concepts in the advertising industry are compared to similar concepts in the seduction community there may be parallels. The author of this project has researched numerous publications, books, articles, message boards, blogs, and other resources to collect the data that is presented within this project. The data shows evidence that members of the seduction community are aware of biological and evolutionary theories that effect seduction. This evidence further shows how that information is put into practice by pick-up artists. This project’s focus is on the less-studied seduction community as opposed to the exceedingly investigated advertising industry. Members of the seduction community exploit concepts that are also used in advertisement, to get women into bed.
Hypothesis
The dynamics of the seduction community is that of an evolutionary arms race that shares features of advertising evolutionary arms race.
II. Methods
I have done a painstaking content analysis of various websites, blogs, articles, books, message board forums, and other relevant resources to locate the information presented. Resources were selected based on their significance to the over all topic of evolutionary arms race in the seduction community. Complications arose when the scope of the project was being considered to include positioning, concealing the hook, and staged surrenders. Although, it seems apparent that there are parallels in positioning, concealing the hook, and staged surrenders in advertising and seduction it was difficult to pin point specific data from the seduction community regarding these concepts. This difficulty is probably due in part to the deviations in terminology in both groups regarding these theories. Such comparisons could be their own research project because of the amount of data that could be presented and the time it would take to gather the data.
Additional complication occurred when attempting to find graphics to add to this project. Some of the concepts presented in this project, such as peacocking and social proof, are not easily transferable into visual representations.
III. Results and Discussion
Evolutionary Arms Race in Advertisement and Seduction
The purpose in both advertisement and the seduction community is to, “learn to adapt and evolve faster than anybody else.” (Hysteria, 2006) Hysteria’s statements get at the core of what an evolution arms race is and the open-ended goals of the advertisement industry and the seduction community. “Stay two steps ahead at all times.”(Hysteria, 2006) But what is an evolutionary arms race?
The biological definition is as follows: "An evolutionary arms race is an evolutionary struggle between to competing sets of co-evolving genes that develop adaptations and counter-adaptations against each other, resembling an arms race." (Wikipedia, 2007) Metaphorically speaking, this is what happens amongst humans in both advertising and seducing. This struggle to stay ahead of competitors’ advances and prospects’ defenses is symbolically an evolutionary arms race.
However, staying ahead has no specific end points or conclusive destinations. "Arms race is also used to describe any competition where there is no absolute goal, only relative goals of staying ahead of the other competitors [and prospects]." (Wikipedia, 2007) Advertisers and seducers have to continually evolve their strategies because the tactics that they develop quickly lose efficiency when their targets develop resistances to those strategies.
"There is an arms race between advertisers and their potential customers." (Steen, 2007) As advertisers’ prospects develop opposition to ad tactics, the advertisers upgrade and innovate strategies to counter those resistances. "In a co-evolutionary arms race, audiences gradually learn to resist advertisers' techniques." (Steen, 2007) Professor Steen is currently researching and developing further work regarding the evolutionary arms race in advertising. This project takes a focused look at the evolutionary arms race in the seduction community. "Sex is an evolutionary puzzle." (Wikipedia, 2007)
“The male’s goal is seduction: He is trying to manipulate the female into falling for his charms, to get inside her head and steer her mind his way. The evolutionary pressure is on him to perfect displays that make her well disposed toward him and sexually aroused so that he can be certain of mating.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 161)
The seduction community is aware of evolution and its effect on the seduction process. The community aims to stay ahead of competitors (other single men) and targets (desirable women). “Fact is, being successful with girls (or at least better than the average Joe) is about adapting your own [behavior],” (Borris, 2006) Pick-up artists seek out resources, such as existing research, that will aid their over-all seduction efforts. "Books such as The Red Queen by Matt Ridley, Sperm Wars by Robin Baker, and The Mating Mind by Geoffrey Miller are frequently cited in the community.” (Wikipedia, 2007) As demonstrated in the following quote:
“For the aspiring pick-up artist, The Red Queen is an invaluable text that provides useful information on how our social interaction has evolved over thousands of years. And how it continues to evolve. The Red Queen not only tells you how we got here, but provides solid scientific evidence that you need to constantly improve your game.” (Strauss, 2006, p.2)
“Game” is a term used to reference pick-up artists’ attributes and abilities. The seduction community works towards advancing its skills and strategies to stay ahead of their competition. “The struggle for seduction never gets easier. However well a pick-up artist may adapt his game, he can never relax, because the hard bodies and alpha-males [competitors] are also adapting their tactics. Seduction is a zero-sum game.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 2) The pick-up artists take into account other economically-desirable (available) males and adopt strategies to make themselves just as valuable. “The technologies of seduction have been developed to help even the playing field.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 5)
However, other men are not the solitary concern of members of the community. Pick-up artists also are anxious with the evolutionary advances of their targets, attractive ladies. As stated below:
“You must constantly refine your game. Seek to grow beyond just spitting out canned routines and pick-up techniques you’ve memorized. Always be learning, and then challenge yourself to grow beyond what you’ve learned. Become your own guru. Because you can bet that whatever technique you’re memorizing, someone else is working on the antidote.” (Strauss, 2006, p.2)
The evolutionary arms race defenses that women adapt in response to the pick-up artist‘s routines are a worry many in the seduction community are concerned with. “If women start to get bombarded with "the game" [pick-up artist’s routines] then you had better believe they will adapt defenses against it.” (Merlin, 2006) Some of these men are worried that they will not be able to develop co-adaptations to the oppositions women form. They realize the divergent goals of the genders.
Male and female aspirations in seduction are evolutionarily different. Female intuitively seek a solitary-quality mate, whereas males viscerally try to find multiple partners, as discussed in this passage:
“Ridley explains that the instinctual goal for every female animal is to find a mate with the genetic makeup necessary to be a good husband, a good father, or a good sire. Male animals, on the other hand, have a goal of locating as many wives and mothers as possible.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 3)
“While it’s easy to think every human being is idiosyncratic and unique, the book [The Red Queen] explains how our mating choices are the result of evolutionary and biological pressures over thousands of years.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 7) There are natural reasons for the discrepancies between the genders’ pairing-off preferences.
“In 1972, Robert Trivers explained why the genders have such disparate goals. The gender that invest[s] the most in children (such as the way women carry a fetus for nine months) is the one that has the least to gain from an extra mating. The gender that invest[s] the least has extra time to spend searching for other mates.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 3)
“Therefore, broadly speaking, males invest less and seek quantity of mates, while females invest more and seek quality of mates.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 133) These diverse objectives create very interesting sexual dynamics. “Because of those different goals, scientists define a reality that every man who has ever entered a singles club immediately learns.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 3) “Males compete for the attention of females.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 133) Women therefore choose and men do the best they can to be chosen. Leaving the men to figure out what choices women prefer to make. In other words, what women find attractive. The seduction community has a large arsenal of knowledge regarding attractive traits women are drawn to.
“In a monogamous society a woman often chooses a mate long before he has had a chance to become a ‘chief’, and she must look for clues to his future potential rather than rely only on past achievements. Poise, self assurance, optimism, efficiency, perseverance, courage, decisiveness, intelligence, ambition--these are the things that cause men to rise to the top of their professions. And not coincidentally, these are the things women find attractive.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 298)
Women have to be perceptive when evaluating the possible successes of would-be suitors. A man’s previous triumphs (or lack of) are not always a clear indication of imminent value. So women often look for characteristics within budding beaus.
“If you [the pick-up artist] exhibit the right traits, then women will take a bet on you. They’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, even though you may not have the corner office just yet. They’re guessing that, based on your personality, you will some day.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 6)
This evolutionary knowledge is used by men in the seduction community to their advantage in various ways. Two such ways are strategies called peacocking and social proof.
"In addition, males and females must spend resources to attract and compete for mates." (Wikipedia, 2007) The usage of these assets is onerous to both the sexes. “Females choose; their choosiness is inherited; they prefer exaggerated ornaments; exaggerated ornaments are a burden to males. That much is now uncontroversial.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 138) The pick-up artists have a term and technique for using “exaggerated ornaments” and the intrinsic burden of these ornaments. The strategy is called peacocking. “Peacocking means dressing for attention” (Urban Dictionary, 2007)
“The term is derived from the courting rituals of the peacock. The male peacock grows an exceptionally long and colorful tail to attract a mate. The long and colorful tail is at best useless and at worst a hindrance (it gets in the way and attracts predators). What a male peacock with a great tail is communicating is ‘I am so good at surviving and protecting myself that I can afford the disadvantage of this tail‘. Female peacocks are attracted to the underlying strength of this kind of male peacock.” (Savoy, 2005)
The seduction community uses “peacocking” as one of many weapons in its armoires to stay ahead of their competition and to advance in the seduction of their target. “Inherently, peacocking, like all pick-up techniques, isn’t meant to be easy.” (Strauss, 2006, p.3)
“We tend to think it’s the woman’s place to be uncomfortable. High-heels, push-up bras, tight shirts, and waxed eyebrows (and other body parts!) are just part of being a fashionable, attractive woman. But to be a successful pick-up artist, you have to be willing to carry some of that burden yourself.” (Strauss, 2006, p.3)
Pick-up artists take on these extra obligations to appeal to female evolutionary desires and to separate themselves from other men. They do this as an act of poise, control, and uniqueness.
“It may feel uncomfortable or not cool sometimes, but it conveys confidence and leadership and individuality when you’re wearing those clothes (as opposed to letting them wear you). And though we [pick-up artists] weren’t born with antlers or colorful tail feathers, fortunately we can purchase and adorn the equivalent.” (Strauss, 2006, p.3)
Peacocking is a delicate art that takes a lot of self-awareness and skill to master. And it is not the only item in the seduction community’s cannon of evolutionary-seduction knowledge. Another instrument that is influenced by evolution and used in the seduction community is “social proof”. “The concept that when you [the pick-up artists] are seen with other women your social status is raised in the eyes of Hbs [hot babes] in the near vicinity.” (Fast Seduction, 2007) This concept has been proven in guppy fish.
“In guppy fish, females that have been allowed to see two males, one of which is already courting a female, subsequently prefer that [already attached] male to the other even if the female that was being courted is longer present.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 146)
“Obviously, social proof is effective, even in the animal kingdom.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 4) “Social proof is basically a synonym for being ‘popular‘; if a lot of other people like me, you will probably like me too.” (Steve, 2006) “If you're with a good-looking and charming person, it raises your esteem in the eyes of others.” (Dolly, 2006) Social Proof can be further explained with the following quote:
“Social value of unfamiliar people is ambiguous and requires a lot of effort to assess accurately. Given limited time and motivation, other people will often evaluate others based on how surrounding people behave towards them. For example, if a man is perceived to be in a company of attractive women, or is associated with them, then his perceived social value and attractiveness will be perceived to be greater. The implied cognition in this case would be ‘All those girls seem to really like him, there must be something about him that's high value‘. If he is seen to be rejected by many women, his social value will be judged negatively. The implied cognition is then ‘I just saw him being rejected by many women, there is probably a good reason why they don't like him‘.” (Wikipedia, 2007)
In the above example, a man does not have to be rejected by “many women” to suffer the consequences of negative social proof; it only takes one female to reject a man to taint the surrounding women’s social impression of that man. A similar cognition to the latter one made in the above quote still applies.
Beautiful women are not always readily available when needed in social situations. So, “some men use photos of themselves surrounded by attractive women to enhance their perceived social value.” (Wikipedia, 2007) This social value can be aided with the help of a digital camera, which some pick-up artists carry with them to show photos to women they meet. In addition, social proof can be achieved without a camera or beautiful women on one’s arms, by using storytelling to sub-communicate that desirable women are already apart of the storytellers life. “Storytelling is a crucial tool in your [pick-up artist] arsenal.” (Savoy, 2005)
“Seduction techniques such as peacocking, social proof, and projecting confidence work in the animal kingdom as well as among humans.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 7) In addition, members of the seduction community use the evolutionary methods to stand out from the competition and seduce the target.
The Mystery Method Corporation is a well thought-of company in the seduction community that offers products and services that make the most of the evolutionary arms race concepts discussed in the project, as well as many other field proven fundamentals and strategies. The M3 model takes trends normally found in sexual relationships and creates an easy to follow method for successfully achieving seduction consistently. “It normally takes 4 to 10 hours of time with her to build enough comfort, connection, and trust in order to have sex.” (The Mystery Method, 2005) This model suggests superior ways to progress through to the final stages of seduction and outlines important concepts for over coming resistance. There is even a stage within the model that addresses the targets’ refusal to go along the seduction, called last minute resistance. The Mystery Method has evolved their M3 model to stay ahead of competition’s developments and targets’ opposition. Unfortunately, the new model’s release corresponds closely to the completion of this project and was not made available to be added in time. Nonetheless, it includes important advances in transitions, relationship management, and other conceptual areas.
Finally the hypothesis of this project is proven with the data presented above. More reliable resources would have been helpful to explain further the concept of social proof. However, the information detailed in the project is significant for the purposes of this research paper. The implication of these parallels could be exploited by both the advertising industry and the seduction community to further progress their strategies. Further parallels between the two groups could prove even more beneficial.
IV. Conclusion
Both the advertising industry and the seduction community participate in evolutionary arms races. Pick-up artists bring into play evolutionary arms race strategies to seduce women and out perform competitors. These men make themselves more sought-after with techniques such as peacocking and social proof which have basis in evolutionary research. They also display confidence. “Body language matters for male sexiness.” (Ridley, 2003) To generate and sustain desirability in women, members of the seduction community use research on mating information to their benefit. The main defined goals of the seduction community are to stay ahead of competitors’ progress and targets’ defiance.
The validity of these findings relies heavily on the integrity of sources. Many of the pick-up artists techniques have grounding in proven theories and all of them have been field tested and retested by hundreds (if not thousands) of pick-up artists world wide. Since there are no scientific studies being conducted on the seduction community’s techniques, proven field testing will have to suffice. If these strategies were not valid or did not work, the seduction community would find, develop, or impose strategies that did. With that stated some of the quotations within this project are purely opinion and should be regarded as such.
It should be noted that the sources obtained from wikipedia, especially regarding the seduction community, may be under dispute and their validity may be under discussion. For further details on specific disputes and discussions, www.wikipedia.com should be consulted.
There are plenty of other fundamentals from the seduction community that could be linked to the evolutionary arms race theory, however, the scope of this project has been met and it would be difficult to catalog all such strategies.
The other unanswered aspect of this project relates to the evolutionary arms race in the advertising industry. This theory is currently being handled by Professor Francis Steen.
In general, it can be said that men and women natural have an evolutionary arms race struggle against each other, however, the pick-up artist bring a wide array of categorical and effective weaponry tactics to this ageless battle.
Which leaves the question; what, if any, defenses have the modern woman develop against these seduction community techniques and strategies?
References
~Pseudonyms are used in the seduction community by pick-up artists (PUA). Pseudonyms are listed within this project and its reference list. Pseudonyms are followed by a comma and the abbreviation PUA on the list below.
* Appendix could not be made available in the format of this blog. Appendix sources are only available in their original format and locations.
Merlin, PUA (2006, January 27) The Game: the movie thread. Retrieved March 1, 2007.
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4691&page=3&highlight=attraction+switches
Borris, PUA (2006, February 24) The Game: the movie thread Retrieved March 1, 2007
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4691&page=5&highlight=attraction+switches
Hysteria, PUA (2006, February 24) The Game: the movie thread Retrieved March 1, 2007
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4691&page=7&highlight=attraction+switches
Illpapinyc, PUA (2006, February 27) The Game: the movie thread Retrieved March 1, 2007
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4691&page=12&highlight=attraction+switches
Hysteria, PUA (2006, July 17) The Game is up (the sky is falling chicken little) Retrieved March 1, 2006
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7983&page=4&highlight=evolve
Roman_be, PUA (2007, January 27) The Game is up (the sky is falling chicken little)
Retrieved March 1, 2006
http://www.themysterymethod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7983&page=5&highlight=evolve
Strauss, N. (2006, July) The red queen: study guide Stylelife. Retrieved February 27, 2007
(see appendix)* Exact of location of this source is not public.
Strauss, N. (2005) The game New York, ReganBooks.
Ridley, M (2003) The red queen New York, Harper Perennial.
Wikipedia, “Evolutionary arms race” Retrieved March 3, 2007 from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_arms_race
Wikipedia, “Arms race” Retrieved March 3, 2007 from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_race
Wikipedia, “Red queen” Retrieved March 3, 2007 from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen
Wikpedia, “Seduction Community” Retrieved March 7, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction_community
Wikipedia, “Seduction” Retrieved March 8, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seduction
Wikipedia, “Social proof” Retrieved March 10, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_proof
Wikipedia, “Framing” Retrieved March 10, 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framing_(telecommunication)
Steen, F. “Class Lecture Notes” (2007)
(see appendix) * Exact location of this source is not public
Urban Dictionary “Peacocking” Retrieved March 8, 2007
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=peacocking
Savoy, PUA; (2005)“Fashion & lifestyle -- OAP issue 7”
(see appendix)* Enrollment in OAP is require. Enrollment can be done through this blog or on www.themysterymethod.com
Savoy, PUA; (2005) “Attraction OAP issue 3”
(see appendix) * Enrollment in OAP is require. Enrollment can be done through this blog or on http://www.themysterymethod.com/
Steve, PUA (2006) “Games are for children: be happy, be yourself” Retrieved March 10, 2007
http://www.gamesareforchildren.com/archives/396-Social-Proof.html
Dolly, female PUA advocate (2006) “Bf ‘social proof’ David” Retrieved March 10, 2007
http://cocksanddolls.blogspot.com/2006/06/bf-social-proof-david.html
Lakoff, G. (February 14, 2006) “Simple framing: an introduction to framing and its use in politics” Retrieved March 10, 2007
http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/projects/strategic/simple_framing
Fast Seduction “Common acronyms/slang used on alt.seduction.fast” Retrieved March 10, 2007
http://www.fastseduction.com/acronyms.shtml
The Mystery Method “The M3 model” Retrieved March 14, 2007
http://www.themysterymethod.com/downloads/M3Model.ppt
Schizo, PUA "Blog Post Comment" (March 9, 2007)
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4965447022861164429&postID=8900391898894468701
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Monday, March 12, 2007
My younger brother is joining the game
I have mixed feeling about this.
My younger brother called me the other night, which is a rarity.
I'm usually the one to call him for technical support because he is formerly a Best Buy Geek Squad boy and he's almost a decade younger than me, so that means he's grown up with all this technology, literally at his fingertips.
So he called me to tell me he was accepted to be one of Style's 505 apprentices for an upcoming program. I am not currently aware of what Style is doing or what this program is. I'm sure it's legit, I just wish I could have known before he spent the money.
My brother told me he's using the name Glassjaw in the community.
Now, I probably shouldn't be surprised because I'm the one who told my brother about The Game and introduced him to the knowledge, that there is a community of men that helps other men find what they are looking for with women.
However, I haven't fully discussed with my brother the extend of my research or even that I, myself, was (briefly) participating in the StyleLife challenge.
When I went home for the holidays, I let him read through a bit of The Game after I was done reading it. I helped him sign-up for The Mystery Method OAP and encouraged him to look into it.
I did this mainly because he was going through a break-up with his girlfriend at the time and struggling with a girl he liked. The girl he liked was hot and she LJBFed him.
I never liked his girlfriend, from the first day I met her. And always felt he could do better.
The first day I met her, my mother took my brother, his girlfriend, and me out to dinner at our favorite family, Chinese, restaurant. Going to our favorite Chinese restaurant has been a family tradition with my Mom and my little brother for years. It started with my mom and my brother when they moved to Orange county from the Bay Area about 8-9 years ago.
Originally, I did not move with them because I wanted to stay close to my boyfriend at the time, Jealous Jason. But eventually Jealous Jason and I had some problems, so I moved to Orange County with my mother and my little brother. That's when they introduced me to what is now my most favoritest Chinese restaurant in the whole of the world (or at least out of every Chinese restaurant I've ever been to).
The place was amazing, the food was great, and the staff was so friendly and they always remembered us. Even years later my brother and I returned and they still remembered him.
It's also where we started the tradition of getting Flaming Po-Po platters and where I discovered, by accident, how yummy honey walnut shrimp is. Oh the nostalgia.
We didn't stay in Orange County for long and eventually we all moved back to the Bay Area. We eventually found a favorite Chinese restaurant in the town we lived in and continued the tradition.
So, on the first day of meeting my brother's new girlfriend, we're all at our restaurant, which is rooted in family tradition, and his girlfriend decided to tell us that: "I believe the guy should pay for everything."
My brother was still in high school and I found that statement to be a little absurd. Who the fuck says that to her new boyfriend's family the first time she meets them? Well, this girl does. And I took issue with it.
And from that point forward she didn't make herself look any better in my eyes. And being the kind of girl and sister that I am, I let her know it, often. My brother obviously deserved better.
So when he was going through his break with her, I was relieved and wanted to help him move on to better things. At the time, I thought telling him about the community was a good idea.
Now, I am not exactly sure.
Since coming back from the holiday, I've been doing a lot of research and learning a great deal about the community. People outside of the community often ask me why I'm interested in the community or they have some pre-conceived notion about the morality of those involved in the community.
I've spent a great deal of time defending this community and explaining my interests in being involved with such a group of guys. I explain to people that it's not fair to judge the community based off of its reputation alone and I always try to explain it in terms that are more positive to those that aren't familiar with the community. I still am met with great opposition in this regard, and my stance is still in support of a great majority of the community.
I truly believe my brother will do good things with the fundamentals and strategies he learns. He's good-hearted and very social already. I just think he needs some guidance in the art of attraction. Growing up with three females (our mom, our sister, and me) probably has had a bit of an unproductive effect on his attraction skills.
We've tried our best to help him but, God knows, women aren't the best at articulating what women really want. I've learned more about helping men, in this area, in the last several months and hope to be of assistance to him and my friends. But in no way do I consider myself a reliable source at the moment. There's only so much that can be learned from 'free' research.
My brother and I grew very close several years ago. Although there is a large age difference between us, we have a lot in common (music, film, theatre, etc). I've welcomed him into my circle of friends and, again even though there's a difference in age, they've all taken to liking him because he's such a great guy. We'd gone to concerts together often and I remember taking a road trip with him to AZ to see our favorite band, Glassjaw (hence his name in the community).
I also remember clearly the first day we brought our (now deceased) dog, Homer, home from pound . Once in the back yard, Homer, who was probably 85lbs, ran around the yard like a free animal. He ended up barrelling into my brother, who was then very young and very small. Homer knocked my brother to the ground. It's sorta funny now because my brother is no longer little and towers over me by at least a foot. Awww...more nostalgia yet again.
I have faith that my brother will use his new found skills for positive things and I don't worry about him misusing his powers or women in any way. My main concern for him is not what he will do with other women. I am more concerned about other men.
He mentioned to me on the phone about wanting to meet Mystery and Style. And I am fearful he may begin to idolize a magician and a nose raper. I haven't met either of these two men, so I don't want to say a lot about this now. I recognize their contributions to this community and know without them neither I nor my brother would have found it.
But I am concerned for him and the influences he may be exposed to. I didn't discourage my brother from what he wanted but just gave him my personal opinion in regards to the matter. I also tried to frame him as a "good" person with integrity and honor. I know I can't control him (nor do I wish to) and I have no desire to tell him what he can and cannot do. He's an adult and free to do as he will.
I just wish him well and hope he makes good decisions and isn't negatively influenced by the "man drama" in this community.
If you run across him, say 'hi' and welcome him kindly, with open arms. He's a good kid (young man).
With trepidation I write these words.
My younger brother called me the other night, which is a rarity.
I'm usually the one to call him for technical support because he is formerly a Best Buy Geek Squad boy and he's almost a decade younger than me, so that means he's grown up with all this technology, literally at his fingertips.
So he called me to tell me he was accepted to be one of Style's 505 apprentices for an upcoming program. I am not currently aware of what Style is doing or what this program is. I'm sure it's legit, I just wish I could have known before he spent the money.
My brother told me he's using the name Glassjaw in the community.
Now, I probably shouldn't be surprised because I'm the one who told my brother about The Game and introduced him to the knowledge, that there is a community of men that helps other men find what they are looking for with women.
However, I haven't fully discussed with my brother the extend of my research or even that I, myself, was (briefly) participating in the StyleLife challenge.
When I went home for the holidays, I let him read through a bit of The Game after I was done reading it. I helped him sign-up for The Mystery Method OAP and encouraged him to look into it.
I did this mainly because he was going through a break-up with his girlfriend at the time and struggling with a girl he liked. The girl he liked was hot and she LJBFed him.
I never liked his girlfriend, from the first day I met her. And always felt he could do better.
The first day I met her, my mother took my brother, his girlfriend, and me out to dinner at our favorite family, Chinese, restaurant. Going to our favorite Chinese restaurant has been a family tradition with my Mom and my little brother for years. It started with my mom and my brother when they moved to Orange county from the Bay Area about 8-9 years ago.
Originally, I did not move with them because I wanted to stay close to my boyfriend at the time, Jealous Jason. But eventually Jealous Jason and I had some problems, so I moved to Orange County with my mother and my little brother. That's when they introduced me to what is now my most favoritest Chinese restaurant in the whole of the world (or at least out of every Chinese restaurant I've ever been to).
The place was amazing, the food was great, and the staff was so friendly and they always remembered us. Even years later my brother and I returned and they still remembered him.
It's also where we started the tradition of getting Flaming Po-Po platters and where I discovered, by accident, how yummy honey walnut shrimp is. Oh the nostalgia.
We didn't stay in Orange County for long and eventually we all moved back to the Bay Area. We eventually found a favorite Chinese restaurant in the town we lived in and continued the tradition.
So, on the first day of meeting my brother's new girlfriend, we're all at our restaurant, which is rooted in family tradition, and his girlfriend decided to tell us that: "I believe the guy should pay for everything."
My brother was still in high school and I found that statement to be a little absurd. Who the fuck says that to her new boyfriend's family the first time she meets them? Well, this girl does. And I took issue with it.
And from that point forward she didn't make herself look any better in my eyes. And being the kind of girl and sister that I am, I let her know it, often. My brother obviously deserved better.
So when he was going through his break with her, I was relieved and wanted to help him move on to better things. At the time, I thought telling him about the community was a good idea.
Now, I am not exactly sure.
Since coming back from the holiday, I've been doing a lot of research and learning a great deal about the community. People outside of the community often ask me why I'm interested in the community or they have some pre-conceived notion about the morality of those involved in the community.
I've spent a great deal of time defending this community and explaining my interests in being involved with such a group of guys. I explain to people that it's not fair to judge the community based off of its reputation alone and I always try to explain it in terms that are more positive to those that aren't familiar with the community. I still am met with great opposition in this regard, and my stance is still in support of a great majority of the community.
I truly believe my brother will do good things with the fundamentals and strategies he learns. He's good-hearted and very social already. I just think he needs some guidance in the art of attraction. Growing up with three females (our mom, our sister, and me) probably has had a bit of an unproductive effect on his attraction skills.
We've tried our best to help him but, God knows, women aren't the best at articulating what women really want. I've learned more about helping men, in this area, in the last several months and hope to be of assistance to him and my friends. But in no way do I consider myself a reliable source at the moment. There's only so much that can be learned from 'free' research.
My brother and I grew very close several years ago. Although there is a large age difference between us, we have a lot in common (music, film, theatre, etc). I've welcomed him into my circle of friends and, again even though there's a difference in age, they've all taken to liking him because he's such a great guy. We'd gone to concerts together often and I remember taking a road trip with him to AZ to see our favorite band, Glassjaw (hence his name in the community).
I also remember clearly the first day we brought our (now deceased) dog, Homer, home from pound . Once in the back yard, Homer, who was probably 85lbs, ran around the yard like a free animal. He ended up barrelling into my brother, who was then very young and very small. Homer knocked my brother to the ground. It's sorta funny now because my brother is no longer little and towers over me by at least a foot. Awww...more nostalgia yet again.
I have faith that my brother will use his new found skills for positive things and I don't worry about him misusing his powers or women in any way. My main concern for him is not what he will do with other women. I am more concerned about other men.
He mentioned to me on the phone about wanting to meet Mystery and Style. And I am fearful he may begin to idolize a magician and a nose raper. I haven't met either of these two men, so I don't want to say a lot about this now. I recognize their contributions to this community and know without them neither I nor my brother would have found it.
But I am concerned for him and the influences he may be exposed to. I didn't discourage my brother from what he wanted but just gave him my personal opinion in regards to the matter. I also tried to frame him as a "good" person with integrity and honor. I know I can't control him (nor do I wish to) and I have no desire to tell him what he can and cannot do. He's an adult and free to do as he will.
I just wish him well and hope he makes good decisions and isn't negatively influenced by the "man drama" in this community.
If you run across him, say 'hi' and welcome him kindly, with open arms. He's a good kid (young man).
With trepidation I write these words.
Friday, March 2, 2007
Revised Definition of the Seduction Community
My revised definition of the Seduction Community:
A loosely connected world-wide subculture of (mostly) men who strive for consistent success with attracting and seducing women. This overriding intention is facilitated with improvements of self (inner game), skills, and lifestyle. In addition, they seek greater understanding of male, female, and social psychology and dynamics. This community is networked “together through internet forums and groups, as well as over a hundred local clubs, called ‘lairs’” and other similar local groups and gatherings. Within this community, there are individuals, businesses, and organizations with varying fundamentals, strategies, and philosophies, that offer advice, products, and services that help assist their diverging objectives.
Your feedback is greatly appreciated. (see previous post of more details)
A loosely connected world-wide subculture of (mostly) men who strive for consistent success with attracting and seducing women. This overriding intention is facilitated with improvements of self (inner game), skills, and lifestyle. In addition, they seek greater understanding of male, female, and social psychology and dynamics. This community is networked “together through internet forums and groups, as well as over a hundred local clubs, called ‘lairs’” and other similar local groups and gatherings. Within this community, there are individuals, businesses, and organizations with varying fundamentals, strategies, and philosophies, that offer advice, products, and services that help assist their diverging objectives.
Your feedback is greatly appreciated. (see previous post of more details)
Monday, February 12, 2007
My Female Advice to those doing StyleLife Challenge
TrainWrecker and anyone else having trouble,
I am making this advice public just in case it will help anyone else. I am here to help and give support. I am NOT an expert; I am just a caring individual who wants to see guys succeed. Why you might ask. Because if guys succeed then women succeed. It's that simple. My advice is this:
DO NOT EVER GIVE UP.
Here are some more tips:
Mind-shaping audio:
Listen to the mind-shaping audio every day. Hell, I let it play while I was sleeping for 2 night in a row. Let it sink in. Let it play even when you're not doing the exercise (as background noise). BUT make sure you're doing the exercise too. Do it right before you go out at night and do it right after you get back. Think of the worst part of the night and use that example during the mind-shaping exercise. Give it your full effort. Force yourself to really do it, FULLY. This is meant to build confidence.
Positive-self talk
I am a god. People love me. I glow and radiate charisma and charm. I stand out from everyone else around me. Talking to me is a privilege. I deserve the best the world has to offer. It’s all out there, waiting for ME to take it.
Commit these statements to memory. I memorized them in one day. When ever a negative thought pops into your head repeat one, any, or all of these (or other) positive statements to yourself.
If a HB10 blows you out. Say to yourself "People love me" or "Talking to me is a privilege. She just revoked her privilege." or which ever one makes you feel better. I've done this consistently for the last week, it's helped my stress level and it's helped me feel more confident in social situations.
Your thoughts are very powerful. You can choose to have negative thoughts and they will have a negative impact on your life or you can choose positive thoughts and they will have a positive impact on your life. The point is that you choose. It's difficult at first to recognize or change negative thoughts but take the first step by just acknowledging those negative thoughts and replacing them with something positive.
Visualization:
Again, the power of the mind is incredibly profound. I love to reference Captain Jack's blog.
Do a similar exercise before going out at night. But this time imagine the night the way you want to it to go. See yourself. What are you doing? Where are you? What does your body language look like? What does your smile look like? Who are you with? Make sure there are HBs in your visualization (if that's what you want and I am assuming it is). Visualize the energy from the mind-shaping audio in your visualization of the night. See the energy going 30 feet into the air and expanding all around you. Open a few sets in your visualization. Remember to approach at an angle (ask over your shoulder). Read TenMagnet's blog of an example.
I know it takes more time and energy to do these exercises but ANYTHING worth doing in life or doing anything well in life take more time and energy to do. It's well worth the time and energy you put into it. If you don't believe me, take the time and energy to prove me wrong.
I have more advanced advice but I need to get going before I'm late for class. Please stay tuned. I do NOT want to see anyone give up and I don't want to see anyone defer this for a week. We're here to support you through this.
I am making this advice public just in case it will help anyone else. I am here to help and give support. I am NOT an expert; I am just a caring individual who wants to see guys succeed. Why you might ask. Because if guys succeed then women succeed. It's that simple. My advice is this:
DO NOT EVER GIVE UP.
Here are some more tips:
Mind-shaping audio:
Listen to the mind-shaping audio every day. Hell, I let it play while I was sleeping for 2 night in a row. Let it sink in. Let it play even when you're not doing the exercise (as background noise). BUT make sure you're doing the exercise too. Do it right before you go out at night and do it right after you get back. Think of the worst part of the night and use that example during the mind-shaping exercise. Give it your full effort. Force yourself to really do it, FULLY. This is meant to build confidence.
Positive-self talk
I am a god. People love me. I glow and radiate charisma and charm. I stand out from everyone else around me. Talking to me is a privilege. I deserve the best the world has to offer. It’s all out there, waiting for ME to take it.
Commit these statements to memory. I memorized them in one day. When ever a negative thought pops into your head repeat one, any, or all of these (or other) positive statements to yourself.
If a HB10 blows you out. Say to yourself "People love me" or "Talking to me is a privilege. She just revoked her privilege." or which ever one makes you feel better. I've done this consistently for the last week, it's helped my stress level and it's helped me feel more confident in social situations.
Your thoughts are very powerful. You can choose to have negative thoughts and they will have a negative impact on your life or you can choose positive thoughts and they will have a positive impact on your life. The point is that you choose. It's difficult at first to recognize or change negative thoughts but take the first step by just acknowledging those negative thoughts and replacing them with something positive.
Visualization:
Again, the power of the mind is incredibly profound. I love to reference Captain Jack's blog.
Do a similar exercise before going out at night. But this time imagine the night the way you want to it to go. See yourself. What are you doing? Where are you? What does your body language look like? What does your smile look like? Who are you with? Make sure there are HBs in your visualization (if that's what you want and I am assuming it is). Visualize the energy from the mind-shaping audio in your visualization of the night. See the energy going 30 feet into the air and expanding all around you. Open a few sets in your visualization. Remember to approach at an angle (ask over your shoulder). Read TenMagnet's blog of an example.
I know it takes more time and energy to do these exercises but ANYTHING worth doing in life or doing anything well in life take more time and energy to do. It's well worth the time and energy you put into it. If you don't believe me, take the time and energy to prove me wrong.
I have more advanced advice but I need to get going before I'm late for class. Please stay tuned. I do NOT want to see anyone give up and I don't want to see anyone defer this for a week. We're here to support you through this.
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Sunday, February 11, 2007
10 reason I am facinated by the Seduction Community
I keep getting asked why I am so fascinated and interested in the seduction community. I have a bunch of reasons but trying to tell people all of these has been difficult. Most of my answers are based off of free information I've research regarding The Mystery Method.
I realized that I may have a very romantic/idealistic view of the seduction community. I've spent a great deal of time researching the community.
1.Lonely Guys
At it's core, I believe these are guys who are looking to improve themselves and their lives. I've seen/experienced some of the techniques used and they really work. I think lonely guys can benefit from having this information available. I think about my little brother, my best friend, and other friends who aren't getting what they deserve out of life and from women.
2. Lonely Girls
Girls benefit when guys work on improving themselves and their lives. Most of my girlfriends are very independent, beautiful, and successful but most of them are single and this is mostly likely because there are more women than men in this world. If more guys work on improving themselves more of my girlfriends may find great guys to date.
3. Attraction
Everything I've read, seen, experienced about attraction seems to be spot on. AFCs tend to approach women and try to build comfort right away (what's your name?; Where are you from?; What do you do for fun?; etc). Trying to build comfort without attraction is like trying to build a house on quick sand. Maybe that's not the best metaphor but I can't really think of another one that works better. Guys in the community are taught to make themselves attractive, not only visually but also in all aspects of their lives. Attraction involves opening (approaching) a women, then the guy attracts her to him with storytelling and other attractive things, and the final part is having her show her attraction to him.
4. Comfort
After attraction comes comfort. Done skillfully, this is powerful. It's all about keeping the sexual tension going while allowing her to feel comfortable with being with the guy.
5. Seduction
I think Sinn said it best in his post: "sex is normal and natural." Men want it, women want it; to pretend other wise is a great disservice to ourselves and our society. It feels good to be seduced by someone who knows what he's (or she's) doing.
6. Research
I am mainly interested in this community to do research on a few projects I am working on. The more I research the more fascinated I am with what I am learning. I've come across a few things that are NOT that appealing or come off very misogynistic but no more misogynistic than anything I've heard from AFCs.
7. Happiness
If men and women are hooking up with each other, they are creating happiness together. And if they are truly finding the "guy" or "girl" of their dreams then they are really happy. Happiness is contagious.
8. Love
Anything that brings love into this world can't be all that bad, can it?
9. PUA guys from the community
I've been fortunate enough to come across some amazing men in this community. I'm completely jealous of guys like Sinn, because he gets paid to travel the world to teach men how to meet women. It's beyond cool in my book. I enjoy both newbies and more advanced guys.
Here are some of the PUA blogs that I follow:
The Real Savoy
Sinns of Attraction
Captain Jack's
Thought Magnet
Immaculate Seduction
Modern Savage
10. Stalwart Stud
He's the reason I found out about this community. I don't discuss him much because I prefer my anonymity and I am sure he values his. I really like him. I am really enjoying my time with him. If I hadn't have met him I would have been pick-up and dumped off numerous times by PUA since I've moved to LA. I've never met a man like him before in my life.
And if all the reasons weren't enough I have one more; It's fun. I am having great fun doing this research.
I realized that I may have a very romantic/idealistic view of the seduction community. I've spent a great deal of time researching the community.
1.Lonely Guys
At it's core, I believe these are guys who are looking to improve themselves and their lives. I've seen/experienced some of the techniques used and they really work. I think lonely guys can benefit from having this information available. I think about my little brother, my best friend, and other friends who aren't getting what they deserve out of life and from women.
2. Lonely Girls
Girls benefit when guys work on improving themselves and their lives. Most of my girlfriends are very independent, beautiful, and successful but most of them are single and this is mostly likely because there are more women than men in this world. If more guys work on improving themselves more of my girlfriends may find great guys to date.
3. Attraction
Everything I've read, seen, experienced about attraction seems to be spot on. AFCs tend to approach women and try to build comfort right away (what's your name?; Where are you from?; What do you do for fun?; etc). Trying to build comfort without attraction is like trying to build a house on quick sand. Maybe that's not the best metaphor but I can't really think of another one that works better. Guys in the community are taught to make themselves attractive, not only visually but also in all aspects of their lives. Attraction involves opening (approaching) a women, then the guy attracts her to him with storytelling and other attractive things, and the final part is having her show her attraction to him.
4. Comfort
After attraction comes comfort. Done skillfully, this is powerful. It's all about keeping the sexual tension going while allowing her to feel comfortable with being with the guy.
5. Seduction
I think Sinn said it best in his post: "sex is normal and natural." Men want it, women want it; to pretend other wise is a great disservice to ourselves and our society. It feels good to be seduced by someone who knows what he's (or she's) doing.
6. Research
I am mainly interested in this community to do research on a few projects I am working on. The more I research the more fascinated I am with what I am learning. I've come across a few things that are NOT that appealing or come off very misogynistic but no more misogynistic than anything I've heard from AFCs.
7. Happiness
If men and women are hooking up with each other, they are creating happiness together. And if they are truly finding the "guy" or "girl" of their dreams then they are really happy. Happiness is contagious.
8. Love
Anything that brings love into this world can't be all that bad, can it?
9. PUA guys from the community
I've been fortunate enough to come across some amazing men in this community. I'm completely jealous of guys like Sinn, because he gets paid to travel the world to teach men how to meet women. It's beyond cool in my book. I enjoy both newbies and more advanced guys.
Here are some of the PUA blogs that I follow:
The Real Savoy
Sinns of Attraction
Captain Jack's
Thought Magnet
Immaculate Seduction
Modern Savage
10. Stalwart Stud
He's the reason I found out about this community. I don't discuss him much because I prefer my anonymity and I am sure he values his. I really like him. I am really enjoying my time with him. If I hadn't have met him I would have been pick-up and dumped off numerous times by PUA since I've moved to LA. I've never met a man like him before in my life.
And if all the reasons weren't enough I have one more; It's fun. I am having great fun doing this research.
Thursday, January 25, 2007
Field Report: "This shit is going to change my life".
Field Report: 1/25/07
Today I presented my paper topic to my class. The topic is based on a subculture of men who teach other men how to score with beautiful women (the seduction community). Everyone seemed to love my topic.
I don't know all that much currently about the methods and techniques but I think I have an understanding of the some of the basics. I felt confident enough in my proposal and was happy to address the class today, which is made up of mostly Average Frustrating Chumps (AFCs). I've done some research. But nothing prepared me for the reaction I got today during and after class.
I had my 60 year-old professor asking why some women seem offended when guys ask them out for coffee. At first I wasn't sure what to say. I tried to explain to him the concept of "bitch shield". The class all of a sudden wanted to know how to "get through the shield" (or disarm the target).
The professor kept turning to me with extremely difficult questions about why women can't tell that they are dating losers. Every time I tried to answer questions from a PUA community perspective the class discussion whirled around.
I was asked by the teacher at one point how I felt about the seduction community. I tried to explain that I wasn't interested in passing judgment on this group of men but that I am interested in collecting and presenting data for others to reference or pass judgment for themselves.
Everyone in the class seemed very interested and the students had a lot of questions for me. One of my class mates (the Exchange Guy) mentioned "the 3 second rule" and the guys all wanted to know what that meant. So I tried to explain that to them. The professor didn't get it, so I had to explain it further. "It's creepy when a guy circles around a woman lingering."
I kept getting questions about the actually techniques and not my project itself. And at one point I looked at my audience in the class and saw half of the guys in the room on the edge of their seats, just waiting for me to dispense the secrets of this seduction community.
I hope they weren't too disappointed that I didn't have much to teach them. However, I am sure more than one of them will seek out the community as a result of our discussion. One student mentioned The Game. I explained that I had read the book as part of my research already. The student, asking the question, hadn't read the book but read the reviews for it on amazon.
After class the two guys I usually work with decided to get lunch with me & another guy tagged along. Let's call the tag-along guy, the Russian Kid. We'll call my two friends: Film Buff & Exchange Guy.
Film Buff knew of the community before I told him I was interested in learning more. He says he knows a PUA but I have yet to meet him. The Exchange Guy is intrigued but knew nothing more about it other than what I've told him (which really isn't that much because I really don't know much at this point).
The whole time we are walking to the food court the Russian Kid is IOIing the hell out of me. He's DVHing. He's storytelling...all very poorly but he's doing it. And every time he does something remotely like anything I've learned, I point it out to him. "When you touch my hand like that, you're kino escalating." I pull away, he pulls away.
I realized that attraction, comfort, and seduction all happen naturally and that DVHs, kino, storytelling, IOIs, qualification all occur when two people like each other (especially when they like the other person sexually). The pickup artists in the community have just structured the sequence of events that normally take place and they have just found ways to do these things more effectively (and in less time it seems).
py Point being the Russian Kid (who is very outgoing personality) started a debate with the Film Buff about whether or not "Who lies more? Men or women?" was a good opener or not. He thought that it would be cleverer to ask "Do you like bunnies or elephants better?" I don't think he understand the point at all but Film Buff challenged him to see if "Who lies more?" would work and the Russian Kid got up from our table and sat down at the table next to us and opened a girl with "Who lies more? Men or women?"
Ha...I give him credit for having the balls to do a cold approach and he got a decent response from her considering he didn't really know what to do next. They spoke for probably several minutes and then he introduced the girl to all of us (she also happened to be eastern European). They probably talked for several more minutes and he got her contact info. He came back to the table and the Exchange Guy decided to go in and try to open a girl.
While the Exchange guy was making his way to a kiss close the Russian Kid bursts out "This shit is going to change my life......I am going to have babies." Hahahahahaha....it was classic. His response just reminded me that we as humans are hardwired with certain evolutionary responses and "spreading ones seed" is one of the responses and this kid felt the effects of evolution at that moment.
This incident also helped me understand why some of the guys (Gurus, instructors, masters, etc) put so much time and effort into helping other guys. There's something spectacular about seeing a guy get a glimpse at what is possible with women.
Now these guys want to go out and use me as social proof to practice. I am not sure that would be a good idea...I could possible be held responsible for unleashing unproperly trained guys on unsuspecting girls.
At this point, I don't think it is ideal for any guys to turn to me for pickup advice. It's like the blind leading the blind and I am the female equivalent of an Recovering Average Frustrating Chump/Chick (rAFC).
Today I presented my paper topic to my class. The topic is based on a subculture of men who teach other men how to score with beautiful women (the seduction community). Everyone seemed to love my topic.
I don't know all that much currently about the methods and techniques but I think I have an understanding of the some of the basics. I felt confident enough in my proposal and was happy to address the class today, which is made up of mostly Average Frustrating Chumps (AFCs). I've done some research. But nothing prepared me for the reaction I got today during and after class.
I had my 60 year-old professor asking why some women seem offended when guys ask them out for coffee. At first I wasn't sure what to say. I tried to explain to him the concept of "bitch shield". The class all of a sudden wanted to know how to "get through the shield" (or disarm the target).
The professor kept turning to me with extremely difficult questions about why women can't tell that they are dating losers. Every time I tried to answer questions from a PUA community perspective the class discussion whirled around.
I was asked by the teacher at one point how I felt about the seduction community. I tried to explain that I wasn't interested in passing judgment on this group of men but that I am interested in collecting and presenting data for others to reference or pass judgment for themselves.
Everyone in the class seemed very interested and the students had a lot of questions for me. One of my class mates (the Exchange Guy) mentioned "the 3 second rule" and the guys all wanted to know what that meant. So I tried to explain that to them. The professor didn't get it, so I had to explain it further. "It's creepy when a guy circles around a woman lingering."
I kept getting questions about the actually techniques and not my project itself. And at one point I looked at my audience in the class and saw half of the guys in the room on the edge of their seats, just waiting for me to dispense the secrets of this seduction community.
I hope they weren't too disappointed that I didn't have much to teach them. However, I am sure more than one of them will seek out the community as a result of our discussion. One student mentioned The Game. I explained that I had read the book as part of my research already. The student, asking the question, hadn't read the book but read the reviews for it on amazon.
After class the two guys I usually work with decided to get lunch with me & another guy tagged along. Let's call the tag-along guy, the Russian Kid. We'll call my two friends: Film Buff & Exchange Guy.
Film Buff knew of the community before I told him I was interested in learning more. He says he knows a PUA but I have yet to meet him. The Exchange Guy is intrigued but knew nothing more about it other than what I've told him (which really isn't that much because I really don't know much at this point).
The whole time we are walking to the food court the Russian Kid is IOIing the hell out of me. He's DVHing. He's storytelling...all very poorly but he's doing it. And every time he does something remotely like anything I've learned, I point it out to him. "When you touch my hand like that, you're kino escalating." I pull away, he pulls away.
I realized that attraction, comfort, and seduction all happen naturally and that DVHs, kino, storytelling, IOIs, qualification all occur when two people like each other (especially when they like the other person sexually). The pickup artists in the community have just structured the sequence of events that normally take place and they have just found ways to do these things more effectively (and in less time it seems).
py Point being the Russian Kid (who is very outgoing personality) started a debate with the Film Buff about whether or not "Who lies more? Men or women?" was a good opener or not. He thought that it would be cleverer to ask "Do you like bunnies or elephants better?" I don't think he understand the point at all but Film Buff challenged him to see if "Who lies more?" would work and the Russian Kid got up from our table and sat down at the table next to us and opened a girl with "Who lies more? Men or women?"
Ha...I give him credit for having the balls to do a cold approach and he got a decent response from her considering he didn't really know what to do next. They spoke for probably several minutes and then he introduced the girl to all of us (she also happened to be eastern European). They probably talked for several more minutes and he got her contact info. He came back to the table and the Exchange Guy decided to go in and try to open a girl.
While the Exchange guy was making his way to a kiss close the Russian Kid bursts out "This shit is going to change my life......I am going to have babies." Hahahahahaha....it was classic. His response just reminded me that we as humans are hardwired with certain evolutionary responses and "spreading ones seed" is one of the responses and this kid felt the effects of evolution at that moment.
This incident also helped me understand why some of the guys (Gurus, instructors, masters, etc) put so much time and effort into helping other guys. There's something spectacular about seeing a guy get a glimpse at what is possible with women.
Now these guys want to go out and use me as social proof to practice. I am not sure that would be a good idea...I could possible be held responsible for unleashing unproperly trained guys on unsuspecting girls.
At this point, I don't think it is ideal for any guys to turn to me for pickup advice. It's like the blind leading the blind and I am the female equivalent of an Recovering Average Frustrating Chump/Chick (rAFC).
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