Showing posts with label PUAs. Show all posts
Showing posts with label PUAs. Show all posts

Sunday, March 18, 2007

5 things I like that PUAs do

I don't know how to introduce this piece. I've got so many thoughts buzzing around my head, it's hard to see the metaphorical tree through the satirical forest. Except for the trees are thought whizzing by as if I was a symbolic skier racing down a tree covered mountain. I am continuously getting smacked in the face with the branches from said trees.

Or another allegory, a wise man once say; I am a radio. The thoughts streaming through my head are the radio wave, my mind is the transceiver, and my mouth is the obnoxiously loud speaking blasting the ever changing station in my head, maryjane is the electricity that fuels this chaos. It's even harder to express this in written form. See verbally it's different, the audio that comes out of my mouth is so natural. The wise man, that was mentioned before (we'll call him: "He who is him" or "Him who is he": HWH for short)* So, anyhoo, HWH used to say he could practically see my train of thought. That's when HWH came up with "You're a radio". So now it's an inside joke. You-had-to-be-there sort of thing, ya know?

Oh well, so if this doesn't make sense to you; don't worry. It's not supposed to. You should only worry if this is crystal clear to you.

This is my defense of the seduction community (and this should help people understand my reasoning or support of this group of guys).

* This is the best way I can describe him who is he. Trust me if I had a better why I'd use it but It's hard to name all that he embodies.

1. inner game
"Learning's golden gifts" ~ "Dr. Faustus" by Christopher Marlowe

I have yet to find a definition for inner game. It's basically an multi-variant and interdisciplinary set of self-awareness knowledge structure or latter or what I like to call rhizome. "Rhizomatic" isn't a real word (yet) but it's a philosophy or theory. You'll have to look it up to figure out what i it really means. I'm going to use the concept as best I understand it to explain some thing, the way I see them.

Rhizome means that there is no one true base or root; it's not like a tree. A tree grows from one set of roots, if you damage those roots enough the whole tree will be damage and all parts of the tree come from that single root system. Rhizomes roots are complex system; it's more like grass. This probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense so I'll move on. No need to further complicate an already complicated concept by butchering it.

If inner game takes on rhizomatic features. It basically means there are many different roots (subficial...is this even a word? I'm using words that don't exist in the dictionary)** Inter game isn't just one thing or it doesn't just root from one base or one source. It's multi variant and multi equative (shit another word that doesn't exist in the dictionary...it's hard to write what I mean when words fail to express what my thoughts truly represent...I don't know what the point of mastering language is if it can express what's really going on in my mind?).

I believe everything is rhizomatic; love, life, sex, thoughts, memories, relationships, ideas, behaviors, actions, language, art, etc. Not to mention, inner game.

I believe to some degree all human beings are striving to effect some aspect of inner game in their life, regardless of they are pick-up artists, or everyone else. The pick-up artists are just more systematic and thorough about it (or at least they strive to be). And this is one thing I like about them. They are pushing themselves and ultimately the evolution envelope further and they brings the rest of us along with them, even if we are kicking and screaming the whole way there.

When one person focusing on making themselves better it has a profound effect not only in the life of the one doing it but in the lives of those surrounding that person striving to be a better person. You get enough people doing this and suddenly there's a shift towards improvement in so many different areas. I wish I could be more specific or give more examples but I'm having a hard time.

It's a complicated concepts and it's not easy to explain without simplifying it to the point of altering it. I believe this is how many of the PUA concepts are though. That's why it's so difficult to understand, master, and teach. That's why I admire those that can do anyone of those; not to mention, someone who can do all three of those. It amazes me. If I really think about it, my thoughts and emotions get overwhelming. It scares me how intense this stuff can be.

I'd love to learn what the PUAs know about inner game and be able to apply it to my life and see what if any effect it has on me, my life, and those around me. And then I wonder if it can be taught to or beneficial to other women.

I've notice I'm fascinated with parallels and I'm dying to discover, theorize, or connect the parallels between what the PUAs have already learned and it's female equivalent.

So inner game is something I like about the PUAs. I am not going to keep going, I think it's pretty clear what I mean. Plus I am getting tired and have 4 more sections to write. This may have to be segmented blog post. I'm not sure how much more I can write.

**roots and underground grass grows and trunks of trees grow above ground. Roots represent the inner part, the grass represents the surface level manifestation of what's happening below the surface (subficial)

2. calibrations/microcalibration

Calibrations is another amazing concept that blows my mind. It reminds me of what good actors do or it reminds me of one of Sinn's recent blog posts (I can't believe how insanely knowledgeable that guy is).

I studied theatre for three years and 2 of those years was spent learning under one of the best teachers I've ever had, and probably one of the better acting teachers. That latter part probably can't be proven. He rigorously taught countless students at junior college the method acting style.

Much of it was lost on me. I wish I could have had 3 more years studying with him but I was clueless at the time and didn't make the most out of it and now he's retired.

Anyhoo, the concept of calibration remind me of the work we were doing in intermediate and advanced acting. It's call being in the "moment" or "checking in". And it relied heavily on responding to what is happening at any given moment on stage. It's not about pretending. It's not about acting or displaying or faking. It's about relating to the other person on stage and reacting to what they are giving to you. It's actually very difficult to do this but when done well it's amazing to watch and be a part of.

This is what PUAs do with women (if they are good). They take when she says, an expression on her face, a change in body language, a tonality alteration, an eye shift, of glance or any subtle reaction and they use that knowledge to proceed.

The most basic part to this would be IOIs or IODs and the PUAs response to them.

You can't calibrate if you're not paying attention, if you're not focused. You can make you're next move if you can't see what move she just made. It's like playing chess blind. Only I've never played chess, so maybe that's not the best example. But I am blind; literally I am legally blind in my right eye; but figuratively I am pretty blind in other ways too. So, I am fairly confident in my the blind metaphor of the example....moving on:

So, I basically like calibration.

3. Disqualifiers

This is gold to me. If you don't get or understand this concept, your game may be less than what it can be. PERIOD. I can't explain why it's so powerful but I know it works. and I know it works and many different levels. It's an art within itself to master.

4. understanding the opposite sex
"Sporting in the dalliance of love." Dr. Faustus by Christopher Marlowe

My biggest sticking point is understanding men. PERIOD.
I'm starting to recognize a pattern of behavior that I display that is probably very off putting to the men I date.  I

"Its not until we try to understand the opposite
sex that we can start having real success with
them." Joseph Mathews.
If there was an e-book on this concept I'd buy it in a heartbeat, and I'd pay what it's worth too. This is definitely an area where the PUAs have us girls out foxed. PUAs know so much about women it's almost ridiculous. I've learned more about myself from guys than I think I've learned on my own. Guys seems to see things about me that I'm figuratively blind to. And they have this great analytical way of expressing it or a whole different perspective to understanding it. I wish I understood myself completely and I wish I understood men enough to deal with them better.

[I'm tired...I'm going to leave this blog unedited and incomplete. I know I'm leaving social capital unwritten about again, but it's such a huge concept to tackle and I'm exhausted, I can't really function beyond this point. And no one really reads my blog, so I think it can wait until I am more coherent. and when my eyes don't hurt from being so emotional. and when it's not nearly 2 am...I know that the time stamped on this blog is going to be the time I started writing this but that was a long time ago...it's 1:42am now...)

5. Social capital

Wednesday, March 7, 2007

Definition of a Pick-up Artist & Seduction

Pick-up artist (PUA) is someone skilled in the arts and non-exact sciences of seduction. (I made this one up).

“Seduction is the use of temptation and enticement, often sexual in nature, to attract or influence the behavior of another. Traditionally, the word implied leading someone astray, as when a man lures a woman into a sexual relationship without the need to resort to force. In contemporary usage, however, seduction is used more broadly as a synonym for the act of charming someone.“ (wikipedia, 2007)

The above definitions are what I will be using in my paper. My paper is due in less than two weeks (along with 2 other papers & 2 other finals...yikes). Let me know if you have any comments regarding the PUA definition. Thank you.

Monday, March 5, 2007

Positioning in Advertising and Seduction

As part of the evolutionary arms race comparison of the Seduction Community and the mass media for my Communication Studies paper, I am also going to be focusing on positioning.

My Opinions:

It's my opinion that PUAs strive to position themselves in the minds of targets in unique and innovative ways. Women, in general, have developed resistance to AFC techniques and PUAs try to stay a head of this resistance by approaching women in ways they haven't been approached before, thus placing themselves in original positions in the women's minds. I believe DHVs are one type of positioning devices PUAs use to accomplish their goals.

I believe beautiful women are bombarded with approaches and attempts at attraction and seduction and a PUA takes this into consideration when approaching these women.



Your Contributions:

I am looking for message board posts, blogs, articles, or other PUA sources that deal with how positioning in the minds of the targets and positioning oneself against competition. If you know of any public sources or are interested in writing a public source, please leave the link(s) to the source(s) in the comment section of this blog post. I've added specific comments to some of the quotes; my opinions appear in (parenthesis) and italics.

Advertising Quotes regarding Positions:

"Advertising is, for the most part, unwanted unliked. In some cases, advertising is thoroughly detested." (I believe the same could be said of the Seduction Community but have no source to reference).

"In spite of its reputation, or perhaps because of it, the field of advertising is a superb testing ground for theories of communication. If it works in advertising, most likely it will work in politics, religion, or any other activity that requires mass communication." (p. 2)

"So the examples in this book could just as well have been taken from the field of politics, war, business, or even the science of chasing the opposite sex." (p. 2)

"Positioning starts with a product. A piece of merchandise, a service, a company, an institution, or even a person. Perhaps yourself." (p. 2)

"Anyone can use positioning strategy to get ahead in the game of life." (p. 4)

"To be successful today, you must touch base with reality. And the only reality that counts is what's already in the prospect's mind."(I believe the same could be said of the Seduction Community and the target's mind but have no source to reference). (p. 5)

"To be creative, to create something that doesn't already exist in the mind, is becoming more and more difficult. If not impossible." (p. 5)

"Today's marketplace is no longer responsive to the strategies that worked in the past." (p. 5)(I believe the same could be said of the Seduction Community but have no source to reference).

"We have become an overcommunicated society." (p. 6)

"In the communication jungle out there, the only hope to score big is to be selective, to concentrate on narrow targets, to practice segmentation. In a word, 'positioning.'" (p. 6)

"The mind, as a defense against the volume of today's communication, screens and rejects much of the information offered it. In general, the mind accepts only that which matches prior knowledge or experience." (p. 6) (The second sentence of this statement is difficult for me to believe, especially when being paralleled with women. I believe the PUA is actually trying to do things that do NOT match prior knowledge or experience in hopes of positioning themselves as different/better than others men.)

"Once a mind is made up, it's almost impossible to change it." (p. 6) (I strongly agree with this statement and think PUAs aim to aid women in making up their minds in regards to favoring PUAs).

"The only defense a person has in our overcommunicated society is an oversimplified mind." (p. 6)

"We communicate with each other in a wide variety of bewildering ways." (p. 7) (I couldn't agree more and I think PUAs aim to master this bewildering communication to their advantage.)

"'Glittering generalities" have become a way of life in our overcommunicated society." (p. 7)

"It's a selection project. You have to select the material that has the best chance of getting through." (p. 8) (This can be seen in the different methods, strategies, and techniques offered from various individuals, businesses, and groups with the Seduction community.)

"When you want to communicate the advantages of a political candidate or a product or even yourself, you must turn things inside out." (p. 8)

"You look for the solution to your problem inside the prospect's mind." (a PUAs problem is seducing a women; the answers to seducing women lie within her individual mind.)

"'In politics,' said John Lindsay, 'the perception is the reality." So, too, in advertising, in business, and in life." (p. 8) (and I'd say in seduction also).

"The only answer to the problems of an overcommunicated society is the positioning answer." (p. 14)

"In our overcommunicated society, the paradox is that nothing is more important than communication. With communication going for you, anything is possible. Without it, nothing is possible. No matter how talented and ambitious you may be." (p.19)

"Positioning is an organized system for finding a wind in the mind. It is based on the concept that communication can only take place at the right time and under the right circumstances." (p.19)

"The easy way to get into a person's mind is to be first." (p.19) (I'd love to see PUA write about being unique and innovative to get into the target's mind.)

"Falling in love is similar phenomenon. While people are more selective than ducks, they're not nearly as selective as you might think." (p.20)

"What counts most is receptivity. Two people must meet in a situation in which both are receptive to the idea. Both must have open winds. That is, neither is deeply in love with someone else." (p.21)

"If you want to be successful in love or in business, you must appreciate the importance of getting into the mind first." (p.21) (I believe being the first to approach a woman in a unique way positions a PUA to be in "the mind first".If a woman is approached with the same AFC tactics over and over again, she begins to resist it so PUA have to be creative to approach her in, what appear to be, original ways).

"You build brand loyalty in a supermarket the same way you build mate loyalty in a marriage. You get there first and then be careful not to give them a reason to switch." (p.21)

"If you didn't get into the mind of your prospect first (personally, politically, or corporately), then you have a positioning problem." (p.21)

"The chaos in the marketplace is a reflection of the fact that advertising just doesn't work the way it used to. But old traditional ways of doing things die hard" (p.23)(Reminds me of AFCs; they don't want to learn new ways of attracting and seducing women).

"Messages prepared in the old, traditional ways have no hope of being successful in today's overcommunicated society." (p.23)

"The fund and games of the sixties and seventies have given way to the harsh realities of the eighties." (p.24)

"To succeed in our overcommunicated society, a company must create a position in the prospect's mind, a position that takes into consideration not only the company's own strengths and weaknesses, but those of its competitors as well." (p.24) (Again something I see PUAs doing).

"Advertising is entering an era where strategy is king." (p.24) (I think there may be something in the Magic Bullets about this...I'll have to check)

References

All above quotes came from Positioning: The Battle for Your Mind written by Al Ries and Jack Trout.

Saturday, March 3, 2007

Evolutionary Arms Races in Seduction & Media

The focus of my paper (per my professor's guidance) is going to be a comparison of parallels between the evolutionary arms races in the Seduction Community and in the mass media.

Advertisers, entertainers, news dispensers and seducers have to continual evolve their strategies because the tactics that they develop quickly loose efficiency when their targets/prospects develop resistance to those tactics/strategies.

How you can contribute:
If you are interested in contributing to my research you can make your own posts or refer me to existing posts.

If you want to make your own post, please make it a public post (discussion forum, blog, podcast, etc) regarding any of the below mentioned ideas/topics/themes.

Please also let me know if you know of other online references that may be helpful to my research. All comments and links can be left in the comment section of this post. I'll review the material and consider using it for my project.

Take a look at some of the ideas/topics/themes I've already gathered below:

Definition:
"An evolutionary arms race is an evolutionary struggle between to competing sets of co-evolving genes [in this case humans] that develop adaptations and counter-adaptations against each other, resembling an arms race." (Wikipedia, 2007)

"Arms race is also used to describe any competition where there is no absolute goal, only relative goals of staying ahead of the other competitors [and targets/prospects]." (Wikipedia, 2007)

Other quotes:
"Sex is an evolutionary puzzle." (Wikipedia, 2007)

"In addition, males and females must spend resources to attract and compete for mates." (Wikipedia, 2007)

"There is an arms race between advertisers and their potential customers." (Steen, 2007)

"Their work represents a ramping up in the arms race between advertisers and their audience." (Steen, 2007)

"In a co-evolutionary arms race, audiences gradually learn to resist advertisers' techniques." (Steen, 2007)

“The male’s goal is seduction: He is trying to manipulate the female into falling for his charms, to get inside her head and steer her mind his way. The evolutionary pressure is on him to perfect displays that make her well disposed toward him and sexually aroused so that he can be certain of mating.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 161)

“The technologies of seduction have been developed to help even the playing field.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 5)

“In a monogamous society a woman often chooses a mate long before he has had a chance to become a ‘chief’, and she must look for clues to his future potential rather than rely only on past achievements. Poise, self assurance, optimism, efficiency, perseverance, courage, decisiveness, intelligence, ambition--these are the things that cause men to rise to the top of their professions. And not coincidentally, these are the things women find attractive.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 298)

“If you exhibit the right traits, then women will take a bet on you. They’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, even though you may not have the corner office just yet. They’re guessing that, based on your personality, you will some day.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 6)

“Body language matters for male sexiness.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 298-299)

“While it’s easy to think every human being is idiosyncratic and unique, the book [The Red Queen] explains how our mating choices are the result of evolutionary and biological pressures over thousands of years.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 7)

“Seduction techniques such as peacocking, social proof, and projecting confidence work in the animal kingdom as well as among humans.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 7)

"In 1972, Robert Trivers explained why the genders have such disparate goals. The gender that invest the most in children (such as the way women carry a fetus for nine months) is the one that has the least to gain from an extra mating. The gender that invest the least has extra time to spend searching for other mates.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 3)

“Therefore, broadly speaking, males invest less and seek quantity of mates, while females invest more and seek quality of mates.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 133)

“Because of those different goals, scientists define a reality that every man who has ever entered a singles club immediately learns.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 3) “Males compete for the attention of females.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 133)

“Females choose; their choosiness is inherited; they prefer exaggerated ornaments; exaggerated ornaments are a burden to males. That much is now uncontroversial.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 138)

“Inherently, peacocking, like all pickup techniques, isn’t meant to be easy.” (Strauss, 2006, p.3)

“We tend to think it’s the woman’s place to be uncomfortable. High-heels, push-up bras, tight shirts, and waxed eyebrows (and other body parts!) are just part of being a fashionable, attractive woman. But to be a successful pickup artist, you have to be willing to carry some of that burden yourself.” (Strauss, 2006, p.3)

“It may feel uncomfortable or not cool sometimes, but it conveys confidence and leadership and individuality when you’re wearing those clothes (as opposed to letting them wear you). And though we weren’t born with antlers or colorful tail feathers, fortunately we can purchase and adorn the equivalent.” (Strauss, 2006, p.3)

“Ridley points out that peacocks are among the few birds to gather together in groups for sexual selection. Scientists call this gathering a ‘lek’. (Strauss, 2006, p.4)

“The characteristic of the lek is that one or a few males, usually those that display near its center, achieve the most mating, but the central position of a successful male is not the cause of his success so much as the consequence: Other males gather around him.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 141)

“In guppy fish, females that have been allowed to see two males, one of which is already courting a female, subsequently prefer that [already attached] male to the other even if the female that was being courted is longer present.” (Ridley, 2003, p. 146). “Obviously, social proof is effective, even in the animal kingdom.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 4)

“For the aspiring pickup artist, The Red Queen is an invaluable text that provides useful information on how our social interaction has evolved over thousands of years. And how it continues to evolve. The Red Queen not only tells you how we got here, but provides solid scientific evidence that you need to constantly improve your game.” (Strauss, 2006, p.2)

“The struggle for seduction never gets easier. However well a pickup artist may adapt his game, he can never relax, because the hard bodies and alpha-males are also adapting their tactics. Seduction is a zero-sum game.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 2)

“You must constantly refine your game. Seek to grow beyond just spitting out canned routines and pickup techniques you’ve memorized. Always be learning, and then challenge yourself to grow beyond what you’ve learned. Become your own guru. Because you can bet that whatever technique you’re memorizing, someone else is working on the antidote.” (Strauss, 2006, p.2)

“Ridley explains that the instinctual goal for every female animal is to find a mate with the genetic makeup necessary to be a good husband, a good father, or a good sire. Male animals, on the other hand, have a goal of locating as many wives and mothers as possible.” (Strauss, 2006, p. 3)

“We’ll be able to adjust somehow.” (Waxlrose, 2006)

“If women start to get bombarded with "the game" then you had better believe they will adapt defenses against it.” (Merlin, 2006)

“Fact is, being successful with girls (or at least better than the average Joe) is about adapting your own behaviour [behavior],” (Borris, 2006)

“Evolve faster than the media can blow it [the Seduction Community] open. Stay two steps ahead at all times.” (Hysteria, 2006)

“being a PUA doesn't make one inherently manipulative or dirty.” (Illpapinyc, 2006)

“The game may be about to bite itself in the ass. That or its gotta evolve big time.” (Irish83, 2006)

Learn to adapt and evolve faster than anybody else.” (Hysteria, 2006)

“It's about developing your self. Your skillset. Your social intelligence. Your 'alpha qualities'. Your lifestyle. Your natural attractiveness to women.” (Roman_be, 2006)

References


The links following the quotes should take you to the exact online location of the referenced text. If there is not a link quote, the information is NOT available for public viewing online and the reference is listed below.

PUAs' pseudonyms are listed in the references because PUAs use pseudonyms instead of real names, unless the PUA's name is publicly known (i.e., Style is listed as Strauss).

Steen, F. “Class Lecture Notes” (2007) Retrieved March 3, 2007 (will appear in appendix of project)

Strauss, N. (2006, July) "The red queen: study guide".
Stylelife. Retrieved February 27, 2007 (will appear in appendix of project)

Ridley, M (2003) The red queen New York, Harper Perennial.

Thursday, February 15, 2007

PUA concepts that confuse me (a little): Frame Control

As much as I like the Seduction community, there are somethings that make me uneasy (which I'll save for another blog post) and something that just confuse me. Frame control is one of those things that I just don't understand all that well.

Sinn did a great post on Frame Control but I am still a little confused. And because there isn't a whole lot of "free" information on frames and frame control I am finding it hard to wrap my brain around this concept.

As I mentioned before I get a lot of free newsletters from various seduction community organizations. Most of it seems pretty useless to my research but I occasionally read through different newsletters when their titles catch my eye.

I recently received a Mehow, Inc. newsletter that mentioned a "frame". But it makes no sense to me. Here's the frame excerpt from the newsletter:

"'You are the cutest ... space alien I've met all night.'

When you do this the content makes it such that you HAVE TO BE PLAYFULL because its hard to come off un-playful when you start talking about space aliens. The reason playful works is that it creates a happy playpen that communicates you are having fun. When you do this women immediately fall into that frame subconsciously and accept the teasing."

What frame involves "space aliens"? Is this an astronaut frame? Sci-fi frame? I don't get how a girl "subconsciously" falls into anything with this frame. It just doesn't make sense to me.

In my paper I want to compare "framing" in advertising to "frame control" in the seduction community. So, I'll have to a little more research or ask a PUA to explain this concept to me.

I think I understand what a frame is. It's a reality that a PUA wants to convey. One example I can think of is "I am the prize" frame.

The thing I am having trouble understanding is how to establish/create and control/maintain that frame. I guess that sort of stuff is covered in the e-books, seminars, and other products available in this community.

I think I'll ask my Professor to explain advertising frames or refer me to the reading where it was discussed. He's mentioned frames in class several times but I don't actually recall reading about them. Maybe if I understanding advertising frames I can understand PUA's frame control. Because understanding PUA stuff has helped me understand advertising stuff (I'm hoping the reverse is true also).

The only other examples of frames I can think of are "framing" in movies and television and literary frames within frames (i.e., Canterbury Tales, etc). And some how I doubt the PUA frame is related to either of these two concepts.

Sunday, February 11, 2007

Peacocking

Another thing I like about what the Pick-up Artists do is called "Peacocking". It's basically a theory (which I'll probably butcher the meaning) that is based off of male peacock mating rituals.

Male peacocks (like most male birds) are more attractive looking than their female counterparts. When peacocks want to mate they put themselves at great risk by displaying their beautiful tail feathers. This is a display that conveys to the female that not only is the male peacock attractive, he is also able to survive well even though his attractive qualities can put him in harms way.

The theory as it relates to man is, if a guy can be flashy he is sub-communicating that he is able to survive even with his flashy ways. This sometimes gets jumbled up into strange outfits or crazy accessories. But when done well, by an experienced PUA, it comes together very well.

A well peacocked outfit consists of fashion that conveys a visual narrative about the person. And usually involved well fitting clothes and congruent accessories.

There is plenty of advice and commentary on the subject available online. I just wanted to add my 2 cents to the discussion.

I love a fashionable man. I love a man who takes time with his appearance and who has a strong identity to convey through his fashion. And I love a man that can wear jewelery.

I stumbled upon a website, JustMetal, that offers unique men's jewelery at great prices. I have bought some stuff from this company for my Ex-boyfriend, before we broke up a few years ago. He still wears the jewelery and it still looks great.


Titanium Jewelry for Mens

10 reason I am facinated by the Seduction Community

I keep getting asked why I am so fascinated and interested in the seduction community. I have a bunch of reasons but trying to tell people all of these has been difficult. Most of my answers are based off of free information I've research regarding The Mystery Method.
I realized that I may have a very romantic/idealistic view of the seduction community. I've spent a great deal of time researching the community.

1.Lonely Guys

At it's core, I believe these are guys who are looking to improve themselves and their lives. I've seen/experienced some of the techniques used and they really work. I think lonely guys can benefit from having this information available. I think about my little brother, my best friend, and other friends who aren't getting what they deserve out of life and from women.

2. Lonely Girls

Girls benefit when guys work on improving themselves and their lives. Most of my girlfriends are very independent, beautiful, and successful but most of them are single and this is mostly likely because there are more women than men in this world. If more guys work on improving themselves more of my girlfriends may find great guys to date.

3. Attraction

Everything I've read, seen, experienced about attraction seems to be spot on. AFCs tend to approach women and try to build comfort right away (what's your name?; Where are you from?; What do you do for fun?; etc). Trying to build comfort without attraction is like trying to build a house on quick sand. Maybe that's not the best metaphor but I can't really think of another one that works better. Guys in the community are taught to make themselves attractive, not only visually but also in all aspects of their lives. Attraction involves opening (approaching) a women, then the guy attracts her to him with storytelling and other attractive things, and the final part is having her show her attraction to him.

4. Comfort

After attraction comes comfort. Done skillfully, this is powerful. It's all about keeping the sexual tension going while allowing her to feel comfortable with being with the guy.

5. Seduction

I think Sinn said it best in his post: "sex is normal and natural." Men want it, women want it; to pretend other wise is a great disservice to ourselves and our society. It feels good to be seduced by someone who knows what he's (or she's) doing.

6. Research

I am mainly interested in this community to do research on a few projects I am working on. The more I research the more fascinated I am with what I am learning. I've come across a few things that are NOT that appealing or come off very misogynistic but no more misogynistic than anything I've heard from AFCs.

7. Happiness

If men and women are hooking up with each other, they are creating happiness together. And if they are truly finding the "guy" or "girl" of their dreams then they are really happy. Happiness is contagious.

8. Love

Anything that brings love into this world can't be all that bad, can it?

9. PUA guys from the community

I've been fortunate enough to come across some amazing men in this community. I'm completely jealous of guys like Sinn, because he gets paid to travel the world to teach men how to meet women. It's beyond cool in my book. I enjoy both newbies and more advanced guys.

Here are some of the PUA blogs that I follow:

The Real Savoy
Sinns of Attraction
Captain Jack's
Thought Magnet
Immaculate Seduction
Modern Savage

10. Stalwart Stud

He's the reason I found out about this community. I don't discuss him much because I prefer my anonymity and I am sure he values his. I really like him. I am really enjoying my time with him. If I hadn't have met him I would have been pick-up and dumped off numerous times by PUA since I've moved to LA. I've never met a man like him before in my life.

And if all the reasons weren't enough I have one more; It's fun. I am having great fun doing this research.

Thursday, January 25, 2007

Field Report: "This shit is going to change my life".

Field Report: 1/25/07

Today I presented my paper topic to my class. The topic is based on a subculture of men who teach other men how to score with beautiful women (the seduction community). Everyone seemed to love my topic.

I don't know all that much currently about the methods and techniques but I think I have an understanding of the some of the basics. I felt confident enough in my proposal and was happy to address the class today, which is made up of mostly Average Frustrating Chumps (AFCs). I've done some research. But nothing prepared me for the reaction I got today during and after class.

I had my 60 year-old professor asking why some women seem offended when guys ask them out for coffee. At first I wasn't sure what to say. I tried to explain to him the concept of "bitch shield". The class all of a sudden wanted to know how to "get through the shield" (or disarm the target).

The professor kept turning to me with extremely difficult questions about why women can't tell that they are dating losers. Every time I tried to answer questions from a PUA community perspective the class discussion whirled around.

I was asked by the teacher at one point how I felt about the seduction community. I tried to explain that I wasn't interested in passing judgment on this group of men but that I am interested in collecting and presenting data for others to reference or pass judgment for themselves.

Everyone in the class seemed very interested and the students had a lot of questions for me. One of my class mates (the Exchange Guy) mentioned "the 3 second rule" and the guys all wanted to know what that meant. So I tried to explain that to them. The professor didn't get it, so I had to explain it further. "It's creepy when a guy circles around a woman lingering."

I kept getting questions about the actually techniques and not my project itself. And at one point I looked at my audience in the class and saw half of the guys in the room on the edge of their seats, just waiting for me to dispense the secrets of this seduction community.

I hope they weren't too disappointed that I didn't have much to teach them. However, I am sure more than one of them will seek out the community as a result of our discussion. One student mentioned The Game. I explained that I had read the book as part of my research already. The student, asking the question, hadn't read the book but read the reviews for it on amazon.

After class the two guys I usually work with decided to get lunch with me & another guy tagged along. Let's call the tag-along guy, the Russian Kid. We'll call my two friends: Film Buff & Exchange Guy.

Film Buff knew of the community before I told him I was interested in learning more. He says he knows a PUA but I have yet to meet him. The Exchange Guy is intrigued but knew nothing more about it other than what I've told him (which really isn't that much because I really don't know much at this point).

The whole time we are walking to the food court the Russian Kid is IOIing the hell out of me. He's DVHing. He's storytelling...all very poorly but he's doing it. And every time he does something remotely like anything I've learned, I point it out to him. "When you touch my hand like that, you're kino escalating." I pull away, he pulls away.

I realized that attraction, comfort, and seduction all happen naturally and that DVHs, kino, storytelling, IOIs, qualification all occur when two people like each other (especially when they like the other person sexually). The pickup artists in the community have just structured the sequence of events that normally take place and they have just found ways to do these things more effectively (and in less time it seems).

py Point being the Russian Kid (who is very outgoing personality) started a debate with the Film Buff about whether or not "Who lies more? Men or women?" was a good opener or not. He thought that it would be cleverer to ask "Do you like bunnies or elephants better?" I don't think he understand the point at all but Film Buff challenged him to see if "Who lies more?" would work and the Russian Kid got up from our table and sat down at the table next to us and opened a girl with "Who lies more? Men or women?"

Ha...I give him credit for having the balls to do a cold approach and he got a decent response from her considering he didn't really know what to do next. They spoke for probably several minutes and then he introduced the girl to all of us (she also happened to be eastern European). They probably talked for several more minutes and he got her contact info. He came back to the table and the Exchange Guy decided to go in and try to open a girl.

While the Exchange guy was making his way to a kiss close the Russian Kid bursts out "This shit is going to change my life......I am going to have babies." Hahahahahaha....it was classic. His response just reminded me that we as humans are hardwired with certain evolutionary responses and "spreading ones seed" is one of the responses and this kid felt the effects of evolution at that moment.

This incident also helped me understand why some of the guys (Gurus, instructors, masters, etc) put so much time and effort into helping other guys. There's something spectacular about seeing a guy get a glimpse at what is possible with women.

Now these guys want to go out and use me as social proof to practice. I am not sure that would be a good idea...I could possible be held responsible for unleashing unproperly trained guys on unsuspecting girls.

At this point, I don't think it is ideal for any guys to turn to me for pickup advice. It's like the blind leading the blind and I am the female equivalent of an Recovering Average Frustrating Chump/Chick (rAFC).